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December 11, 2019


Obviously, we have to talk about gun control
this week. Over the course of our many Rubin Report interviews,
I’ve sat across from an array people who are pro-gun rights, anti-gun altogether, or somewhere
in between. While the events surrounding the gun conversation
are always horrific…with this week’s tragic events in Vegas being perhaps the worst of
them all…I believe the conversation around guns, when done right, can offer powerful
insight into how people think about society at large. Gun ownership and the right to bear arms brings
up issues about the American constitution, states rights, personal responsibility, mental
health, radicalization…both religious and otherwise…and much more. Unfortunately, as is the case so often these
days, we’re seemingly caught between two groups: the people who want to ban guns completely,
and the people who don’t want to have any sort of conversation about sensible gun laws. While I absolutely support the 2nd Amendment,
at the same time I absolutely acknowledge the United States has what seems to be a unique
problem related to mass gun violence. Lost in the midst of the awful events of Last
Vegas this week are the other senseless shootings across the country, like the 5 people killed
and 30 others wounded by gun fire in Chicago this past weekend. The weekend before that, 3 were killed and
36 wounded in Chicago, and the weekend before that it was 11 dead and 29 wounded in the
very same city. We’ve included a link down below which tracks
the gun related violence across Chicago occurring every single weekend, and it’s disturbing
to say the least. I bring up Chicago not to deflect from the
events in Las Vegas, but to show this murderous violence is happening in one of our biggest
cities literally every single day, happening so often at this point the mainstream media
has all but given up on reporting on it. The reasons behind how and why people murder
others also makes it hard to find one law around guns that works in every situation. There no doubt is a difference between a murder
that occurs during a robbery v. gang violence v. terrorism v. suicides v. a random shooter
with no known political or religious motive. And the same time, there are the times when
someone with a gun saves innocent lives during a shoot-out, or when someone defends their
property and family by having a gun in the home. So again, while I support the 2nd Amendment,
I also recognize that we undoubtably have a gun-related violence problem on our hands…just
look at the numbers. I can also acknowledge that guns in and of
themselves aren’t the only problem here. Without question, much of the carnage caused
by guns is due to people with mental health issues gaining access to guns. The truth is that if I, or most the gun owners
in America, had access to the most deadly weapons on Earth, we wouldn’t randomly use
those weapons against innocent people. Not only are mental health issues an aspect
to the people who commit mass shootings, but also there is also a problem with any ideology
which drives people to commit these heinous acts, be it a religious ideology, a political
ideology, or any other system of principals or beliefs which could drive someone to kill. A weapon in and of itself can’t kill anyone,
it takes a human being and a corrupt thought process to pull the trigger and kill innocent
people. Also, as I’m recording this, it is still unclear
exactly what weapons were used in Vegas, but authorities report finding about 20 other
fire arms in the shooter’s hotel room, and it’s possible that this man was using a military
style fully automatic rifle to commit this heinous act. For all the defense I’ve offered the 2nd Amendment,
I CAN NOT see how access to such weapons, which have the ability to mow down civilians
at an incredible rate and which are designed for the battlefield, should be in the hands
of regular citizens. As we post this video the story about the
Vegas gunman is largely incomplete. At the moment we don’t seem to know his motives,
so it’s hard to say if this was an act of terrorism under the most specific definition
of the term, which includes having a political motivation to kill. Nevada state’s defintion is a little more
broad, not including the need for a political motivation, which would in fact classify this
killer as a Terrorist. Regardless of how we want to define this specific
act of horrific violence, or how the gun discussion relates to terrorism, or the legitimate right
of every citizen to have the ability defend themselves, we must get better about talking
about gun control between the shootings in order to prevent more shootings, and not just
when these acts occur. Passing more laws in the heat of emotion is
rarely the right thing to do, even if they are well intentioned, while doing nothing
and hoping these events will simply end is just as misguided as hoping terrorism will
completely stop if we just ignore it. While we wait to find out more about the Vegas
shooter himself and at the same time mourn the victims of this evil act, we should also
continue to talk to people on both sides of the gun debate to try to come to sensible
place of agreement. I’m going to do my best to do just that — if
you know of some interesting voices in this debate you’d like to hear on The Rubin Report,
let us know in the comment section right down below.

22 Comments

  • Reply The Rubin Report October 4, 2017 at 2:49 pm

    As an interesting follow up to this (and with more on the specifics of the guns) check out Ben Shapiro's analysis of Jimmy Kimmel's comments last night: http://www.dailywire.com/news/21908/watch-shapiro-fiercely-shreds-kimmels-gun-control-daily-wire

  • Reply arsenic milkshakes October 17, 2017 at 3:12 pm

    Your intro music is really gay LOL you should change it

  • Reply Resurgence Of The Shadow Dragons October 20, 2017 at 2:47 am

    Doesn't Chicago have some of the strictest gun control laws in the nation?

  • Reply Mr. Coffee October 22, 2017 at 6:08 pm

    The left is so full of mentally disordered cult followers that it would be hard to fine anyone normal enough to pass a psyc eval without being issued court orderd meds.

  • Reply medved October 23, 2017 at 1:24 am

    Weeks later we still don't know "the motive". This can only mean one thing: dude had the kind of motive that would be very inconvenient to the democratic establishment if it got out. If he was a conservative, we would have known about it before this shooting even ended. Guns aren't the issue here at all, the issue is radicalization. The source of radicalization in this particular case is likely the mainstream media. Last time (Pulse nightclub) it was religion. Next time it will be something else. If guns weren't available, he'd just ram a truck through the crowd or planted a few bombs in the middle, or strap a bomb to a consumer grade drone and rain death from above. All of those things are completely unregulated and readily available. Evil will find a way. See e.g. Nice, London, and other places.

  • Reply Mark Rixson October 24, 2017 at 5:46 pm

    Very level headed statement

  • Reply Tim Simmons October 25, 2017 at 3:00 pm

    To start with, I LOVE your show, respect your options and I attempt to take your stance into consideration. RE: In the timeline at 3:40, let me help you see. If Trump was Hitler like the Left claims and if the Right is Nazis like the Left claims, then consider this. If you were able to go back to the late 1930's in a time machine, to Germany and you had the ability to convince the Jewish people to keep and fight for their rights to bring arms to bear, would you "possibly see how access to such weapons which have the ability to mow down civilians at an incredible rate and which are designed for the battlefield, should be in the hands of" Jews! I don't think Trump in Hitler, but Sanders Maybe, but one day is possible. The 2nd is designed to stop that. You wouldn't have given out muskets to the Jews would you? So, stop the criminals in the drug trade, stop the gang bangers, and get the mental hospitals back open and do all of the color blind and the gun issue will go away.

  • Reply BayOctopus October 25, 2017 at 7:20 pm

    I love your work so much Rubin and you are SUCH a smart guy. Please, please look into things like mass shootings and 9/11 and consider that some, maybe not all, are actually false flags. There is a long history of these which are deep state psy ops! Conspiracies at the highest levels exist and nefarious social engineering mass trauma events have been carried out for hundreds of years. I recognize it may be difficult to talk about these topics but look into it for yourself.

  • Reply oldschool1987 October 27, 2017 at 10:36 pm

    Ain't weapons illegal in Chicago? Why is gun crime higher in states where it's illegal? Because law abiding citizens aren't allowed weapons, which is a deterrent.

  • Reply Charles N November 7, 2017 at 7:39 am

    If mass shootings have increased during the past 50 years, while household gun ownership has gone down and the bureaucracy controlling gun ownership has only increased, it is strange that few look at the "progressive" cultural changes supposedly bettering our society, which have increased markedly over the same time period.

  • Reply David ambrozic November 11, 2017 at 1:43 pm

    Can anyone give me a reason why not to ban bumbstocks?

  • Reply UssrCJ November 16, 2017 at 4:37 am

    The term Mass shooting is stupid, It doesn't matter if someone killed 20 people in a day or over time they have the same result, serial Killers have killed far more people than major Media coverage shootings in the US, why does it matter that it happened in a day or 20 days, that makes so sense being it all adds up to murder with rifles to be very very very low, Not counting that the category rifles also counts Manual and semi auto, which makes Deaths by SEMI autos much smaller. Tell me why time and the event make a difference when people can still get away with high death tolls, These type of AR-15 shootings are fairly new and have only been used because they see it on tv which can create copy cats, same thing happened to pistols in the 2000s. Media blows things up way too much to make it seem that it happens all the time and that you are going to die from this. Why do you hold these kind of situations at such high standards, you do know by numbers and perceptive these mean absolutely nothing. It's like holding Islamic attacks with such high standards to make it feel much more dangerous to the population. The US is actually pretty safe for terms of regular civilians when it comes to guns, If you are in a gang the risk is very high and gang violence is about the majority of gun murders, and by logic there is still a very high chance of more DGUs than Crime uses due to the vast of legal Gun owners. Countries like Japan never needed a gun ban and there are plenty of countries that allow guns and semi auto and still have lower crime than the US and most ban First world countries, There are also ones with high crime in third world countries, Culture is key in this issue. guns are used to stop over 500,000 confirmed crimes a year. There are around 2000 homicides in America (If not counting gang) So by these FBI statistics you are much more likely to stop a crime then being shot. Some points to people that think it makes a difference banning Semi Auto weapons.

  • Reply hiraethin December 14, 2017 at 7:48 pm

    Larry Correia's essay on gun ownership in the wake of the Sandy Hook shooting was well informed and very popular. He's an entertaining guy to talk to, for several reasons. Recommended.

  • Reply tmoore2010 December 16, 2017 at 4:22 am

    So how did the guns get into Chicago the guns get into Chicago from their neighboring states were they can sell and buy guns and write a receipt on a piece of fucking toilet paper so naturally it's easy to transfer guns from state to state unlike transferring a gun from say New York to New Jersey New Jersey to Connecticut Connecticut to Rhode Island

    Charlotte North Carolina actually has more crime per capita than Chicago

  • Reply LordStickMax December 22, 2017 at 4:21 pm

    its ironic though. Chicago has some of the strictest gun laws in the country.

  • Reply Robin Nadji December 25, 2017 at 12:50 am

    What a piece of tepid nonsense. 5 minutes and nothing of substance was said.

  • Reply Robert DeMeo January 5, 2018 at 5:54 am

    2:44 "The truth is that if I or most of the gun owners in America had access to the most deadly weapons on Earth, we wouldn't be randomly using those weapons against innocent people."
    3:15 "A weapon in and of itself can't kill anyone; it takes a human being and a corrupt thought process to pull the trigger and kill innocent people."

    How is it that Dave makes these brilliant points and others, but then…

    3:41 "For all the defense I've offered of the 2nd Amendment, I cannot see—I cannot possibly see how access to such weapons, which have the ability to mow down civilians at an incredible rate, which are designed for the battlefield, should be in the hands of regular citizens.'

    …makes this ridiculously ignorant point that completely contradicts everything else he said?

    Dave, I suggest you do some more research on the intent of the 2nd Amendment and read DC v. Heller, as it is clearly mentioned in the case that the 2nd Amendment protects weapons designed for military use, and more. I personally don't think the 2nd Amendment protects nukes and fighter jets, but it sure does protect ground weapons such as assault rifles, tanks, rocket launchers, and hand grenades. I'm also in the same stupid political party as Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, so I really mean it when I say you should look further into these things.

  • Reply 11B Retired January 13, 2018 at 3:13 pm

    So far none of these anti-gun laws have yet curb crime or stop criminals using guns folks. These bad gun laws were designed to do just one thing, to restrict or ban firearms to law abiding Citizens folks.

  • Reply Ira Lee February 17, 2018 at 12:03 pm

    When the authors of the Second Amendment penned it, could they have envisioned the evolution of guns at that time from single shot weapons (an expert musketeer could get off only three shots per minute) to automatic assault rifles capable of of firing thirty shots in three seconds? Ira Lee, Ph.D.

  • Reply shadowdance4666 March 5, 2018 at 5:53 pm

    Why should individuals in a government have more licensed to kill than an individual? Is it the 007 effect? The 2nd amendment was created by people who knew that the government is not always right

  • Reply Moesive oone April 8, 2018 at 10:57 am

    Never ceases to amaze me how many delusional gun owner talk about the 2nd amendment and how it allows their local militia and their AR15s stand up against an F22 or a Abrams tank if the US Government ever needed to be overthrown.

  • Reply Mr. Smith May 16, 2019 at 4:20 am

    America, the criminals committing these types of crimes, are domestic terrorist, psychopaths, and straight up murders, who are NOT mentally ill.
    Anyone that premeditates, the taking of several human lives isn't acting on mental illness and while some mental illness might be present, it is not fueling the fire responsible for mass murder.
    The definition of a psychopath, is someone without a conscience and if someone does not have a conscience, then they cannot be suffering from mental illness.
    These crimes, are nothing, but premeditated murders!
    While a bunch of brothelized socialism whores, false label the truth with their brand of weaponized stupidity attempting to encourage MORE government overstep.
    Natural rights, no longer apply to people with mental illness because social retardation knows what's best.
    The mentally ill, no longer have the right to keep and bear arms to defend themselves, and 98% of the U.S population, has mental illness to one degree, or another.
    America's being progressively enslaved, by its own government because of delusional social retards and the political sucks that they empower, are writing slavery into law.
    Stupidity, is the most dangerous and destructive assault weapon in the world.
    America's being enslaved and ruled, by the finest stupidity delusion buy and elect.

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