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The 1918 Flu Pandemic – Lies – Extra History

October 21, 2019


Welcome extra historians to Lies The episode where we fess up to our mistakes and flesh out the things we skipped over Today, we’re doing the 1918 flu pandemic. It’s a big global story We’ve got a lot of ground to cover. You had a lot of questions and a lot of corrections So we’re just gonna lightning round it. We’re gonna go real fast So first of all, we’re going to talk about our recommended reads. There’s two this series One is The Great Influenza by John M. Barry This is a great book if you want to know anything about the American response effort, Welch, Park and Williams, Avery, all that good stuff Next, Pale Rider by Laura Spinney, great book, has like the global context of the flu It’s sometimes been criticized by… …for going a little too far in some of its conclusions, but I think it’s overall pretty solid Especially if you take it with a little bit of a grain of salt But it’s probably the best… …just, global palette of what’s going on you could possibly find, so I highly recommend it Let’s get to, like, the big embarrassing upside-down elephant in the room This is the flag of Germany This is the flag of Yemen, so… It would take too long to explain exactly how a mistake this big happened, but… Essentially, I send off photo references when I finish an episode. The artist sends me back a prop sheet The flag was upset on the prop sheet I took the prop sheet and I took the reference for the flag of the German Empire and went… “Yeah, that’s the same” because the pattern recognition part of my brain is kinda broken, so… …and unfortunately we… We had already uploaded three episodes worth of it by the time we released the first one… …and people mention that it was upside down and you know, I kind of– There was something about it that bothered me, but then I looked at the prop sheet and it was right on the prop sheet And the prop sheet must be right, right? So yeah, sorry, that’s totally my fault Some of you were a little concerned that we focused too much on the United States I actually agree with you. My original conception of this series was… …going to be a lot more like, jumping between medical teams in different countries But after kind of conferencing with the artist, I realized that that was asking way too much of them It’s a lot to change… …change what country we’re portraying because it’s different national costumes, modes of transportation… …architecture, and they have to pull– Like, I have to get a big photo library together for every new country …And basically have them create unique art assets for it So the best we can do, basically, was just one episode that was just like boom-boom-boom-boom… …just hitting, kind of, notable places in the world, and that was not ideal It’s not what I had envisioned originally, but it was the best we could do. I’m sorry about that Mispronunciations: we had a few We were very very busy, had a difficult time re-recording stuff because we were recording so much during this period The Koch Institute has the “CH” instead of the “Koke Institute” We said, “Arizonian”, it’s Arizonan We said, “John Hopkins” when it should be Johns Hopkins I can’t remember exactly what pronunciation we used for Manchu, but it was wrong and… Pogo Pogo is the capital of American Samoa, not “Pago Pago” A lot of these stuff are things that we flagged. We just didn’t have time to fix, unfortunately So let’s move on to Episode one A lot you pointed out that we used the caduceus, the rod of Hermes, as a symbol for American medicine And really, it should be the rod of Asclepius We did use that for the American Medical Association because the rod of Asclepius is the symbol for the American Medical Association But the symbol for the US Army Surgeon General… …is the rod of caduceus, because they were confused when they picked it in the 1900s Excuse me, 1800s So yeah, that’s a mistake, but it’s a historical mistake Some of you mentioned that there’s no selection pressure toward deadliness in a virus That is true… …but, as long as a virus, basically, can still spread, it doesn’t necessarily matter how deadly it is You know, it’s all just sort of a genetic roll of the dice And the Spanish Flu progressively got more deadly while still spreading very well, but you were absolutely right There is no selection pressure pushing a virus to be more deadly We also… …had a lot– very indirect line about the randomness of natural selection We should have said the randomness of mutation. Natural selection is not random Someone pointed out that heliotrope cyanosis, when people turn blue… Right? When they had a cytokine storm inside the “lungal area”… *Very scientific* It didn’t look like the patches that we showed, and that’s true The thing is, tinting is a very difficult thing to do in our animation styles… …so we just kind of used as a cheat In general, you’d get kind of like a purplish tinge to your cheeks and ears and it would spread and eventually turn you blue And that’s how it would really look. It would just be sort of a deepening… …rather than those patches that we showed in the animation Some of you mentioned that La Grippe is not a nickname for the flu It’s just French for “the flu” True, but English and American troops started calling it that, too There was this really interesting linguistic exchange going on in the trenches A lot of you mentioned that our… …section on Ludendorff and the Spring Offensive was an oversimplification 100% true. Rather than explaining all of that because we have so little time… …I’d actually suggest you just go over to The Great War… …and watch every episode, because the Spring Offensive is just about over, over there And they do a great job, and all of their German flags are right-side up, all the time. I don’t know how they do it We’re going to episode three, now Welch actually didn’t die. He lived until 1934. That’s my fault. I wrote it that way to increase… …increase the tension and… I accidentally misinformed people that the Welch had died. He had not But he was knocked out, basically, for the rest of the crisis A lot of people wondered why… …Officials, particularly in Philadelphia, didn’t treat flu seriously Part of it was just focused on the war, part of it was just thinking that flu was a… …seasonal thing that would go away But in Philadelphia, you have a very special case So, the mayor is a little distracted during this time because he has just been indicted in the death of a Philadelphia policeman You can go read about it. His name is Thomas S. Smith and he was working for the Ver(?) political machine… …in Philadelphia, but the long and short of it is, basically… He and a bunch of his cronies during a Republican primary hired a gang from New York to come down and beat up their primary opponent… …and… …a Philadelphia policeman stepped in to try and defend the guy and ended up getting shot and killed So he was indicted for… The actual charges were… …conspiracy to commit murder and impeding an election We had Anna Williams kind of look like she was the same age as William Parke Actually, they were exactly the same age: 55 That’s, again, like the shading thing, right? It’s difficult to do someone with kind of like salt and pepper hair in our animation style And I like the contrast of the kind of younger-in-spirit Williams with the older-in-spirit Park Some wondered, “Is this Gorgas the same… …guy who battled yellow fever during the Panama– building of the Panama Canal?” Yes, he is I don’t think– He was not Surgeon General at that time, but… Yeah, that’s Gorgas. It’s– And that’s the thing he’s most famous for to this day In episode four… Someone mentioned that we seem to be confusing.. …vaccine with antitoxin with serum, that vaccine is preventative… …that it shouldn’t include antibodies Conceptions of what a vaccine is have kind of changed a little bit But broadly, that’s right, like, but we were sort of using it as a shorthand for all three of those things They were making all three And by the way, the Rockefeller Institute… …wasn’t just, like hoarding vaccines and keeping them away from the public They used all their vaccines on the army and civilian workers who were supporting a war effort So it wasn’t like a stingy thing of like, “No! Here, get away from our vaccines” They, yeah, they were all gone and some had to be made for the civilian population There was a question, “Was there international cooperation?” Largely not But, these doctors were reading medical articles that came out in different countries And there was one interesting thing where early, upon entering the war, the Rockefeller Institute… …found a very effective treatment for gangrene… …and they started wondering, like, “Hey, should we publish this in a– in a International Journal because then it’ll help the Germans?” And they ultimately decided, “Our duty as doctors is above our duty as soldiers” So, they published it and indeed it was used in the German army A lot of people asked if dogs had eaten the Yupik family alive Possibly, because there’s a thing that happened all the way across the continent on the island of Labrador, where… …the village just stopped feeding the dogs because everyone got too sick to get out of bed And the dogs started literally jumping through windows and pawing in doors and attacking people in their beds And we know this because a guy came looking for his friend he hadn’t heard from in a while, and he found the guy… …sitting up in bed with a rifle across his lap, a box of bullets… …surrounded by dead dogs So yeah, go to sleep with that This is a big one: Why didn’t we mention Germany and China? So… When I realized that we hadn’t put numbers for Germany in the fifth or sixth episode… …I tried to go in and add them to the sixth week. We didn’t have time The number I came up with was 426,000, for what it’s worth But the thing with the German numbers is they’re a little spongy, because what you do… …is you get a baseline for what the death rate would be in a place at that time, and then you figure out the excess mortality Right? Very difficult to get a baseline on Germany on 1918–1919 There’s a lot of people moving around, a lot of people going in and out of the army I suspect it’s higher than that, 426,000 German officers tended to cover up the fact their soldiers had died of Spanish Flu… Not because they didn’t want people knowing But because they just didn’t want their families to know that they hadn’t died in combat, that they died in a hospital You know, wasting away from a terrible disease Same thing happened in the US Army, by the way With China… We specifically avoided it because China is very contentious There are people who think that… …it had a really really high death rate and that’s based on reports from Western missionaries that were going up in the mountain villages But it could just be that those more isolated communities got hit hard And there are people that think it really wasn’t hit that hard at all, because there doesn’t seem to be the same kind of thing in China You don’t have, like, mass graves in Shanghai and Beijing I looked here in Hong Kong, and I didn’t really find anything And that might suggest that it emerged from China and most people were immune from the mild first wave We cut out like a bunch of other possible origins There’s one from a military hospital in France Some people think that migrating Canadian geese spread it Basically, name… Name a country and there’s a theory about it We could take this whole episode and just talking about emergence theories But we– we picked two that we thought were pretty likely If you’re curious about that sample of Spanish Flu… It’s in a CDC lab in a very secure area and they’ve sequence its genome now And we don’t really know, though, at what point… …what point that sample comes from. So, is it from the more mild wave is it from the deadly second wave? Had it been mutated and become less virulent? We don’t know So it’s a little bit difficult to know if– how good a sample that is but they’re working on it One thing I wanted to point out, that we didn’t get to in episode six, is that the way that… …the horrors of World War I… …sort of killed the optimism about technology and human progress… A similar thing happened in medicine with Spanish Flu So, there, like, major doctors before the the outbreak were talking about, like, in 50 years communicable disease may disappear We may have a disease-free future And Victor Vaughn, who we briefly had in the episode (he was the guy charting the disease on the map) has a great quote about this “The saddest part of my life was when I witnessed the hundreds of deaths of the soldiers in the army camps… …and did not know what to do “At that moment, I decided never again to prate about the great achievements of medical science… …and to humbly admit our dense ignorance in this case “I saw hundreds of young stalwart men in uniform coming to the wards of the hospital “Every bed was full, yet others crowded in. The faces were a bluish cast; a cough brought up the blood-stained sputum” Let’s go through some famous victims of Spanish Flu that we didn’t have in the episodes The first one we did mention was President Wilson, but I wanted to add a little color to that So, Wilson drops in the middle of the negotiations in Paris for what will become the Treaty of Versailles And he is bedridden with what we now suspect was Spanish Flu And it probably brought on the stroke that later killed him What’s a big issue with that is the fact that he was one of the main people that wanted an equitable treaty… …with Germany, because he believed peace in Europe was not possible if they forced a punishing treaty on the Central Powers So how might history have been different? Because once he dropped… …it was done. Like, he lost all his strength. He abandoned all of his positions. He just got walked over. Went home So, in addition to him, we have the president-elect of Brazil, Rodrigues Alves He’s interesting because he was very pro-vaccine and in his first term of office… …he actually… …instigated something, or… He put in a policy of mandatory vaccination that led to something called the vaccine revolt So, yeah. He was a big proponent of medical science… …actually to the point where… …people ended up rising up against him because they didn’t like… …medical teams breaking down their doors and forcing them to get vaccinations. Understandable We also have Clementine Churchill, wife of Winston Churchill… John and Horace Dodge, brothers who founded Dodge Motor Company… Kings, Kaiser Wilhelm, King George the Fifth of the United Kingdom… Haile Selassie, Emperor of Ethiopia, probably mispronouncing that, I’m sorry… King Alfonso XIII of Spain… writers and artists: T.S. Eliot; Raymond Chandler; DH Lawrence; Franz Kafka… Georgia O’Keefe, the American painter; Edvard Munch, who painted a self-portrait while he had Spanish flu called, “Self-Portrait with Spanish Flu” Austrian painters Egon Schiele and Gustav Klimt, they both died I wanted to repeat that because if Klimt did die from Spanish fluid, it argues for an earlier emergence We have it being in 1917–1918 It would have had to have come east into Europe If Klimt died from it, we’re still not sure. A bunch of silent film actresses including Mary Pickford and Lillian Gish survived Margaret Dumont, who is the rich widow in all the Marx Brothers movies, was a Spanish Flu survivor And in religion, in 1917, three shepherd children reported seeing a vision of the Virgin Mary in the Portuguese parish of Fatima After a series of miracles, prophecies, and Marian apparitions… …which are still remembered and venerated today as Our Lady of Fatima… …two of the children made a prophecy that they would die in the Spanish Flu outbreak And unfortunately, it came true. They died. That was their last prophecy So finally: Walpole We’ve got a little unusual one today So… I have a… …little excerpt from a diary from Horace and that Horace Walpole kept during a flu epidemic in 1743 “The last ships have brought over all your epidemic distempers; not a family in London has scaped under five or six ill… …many people have been forced to hire new laborers. Guernier, the apothecary, took two new apprentices, and yet could not drug all his patients “It has a cold and fever. I had one of the worst, and was blooded on Saturday and Sunday.” He means bleeding “But it is quite gone; my father was blooded last night; this is but slight “The physicians say there has been nothing like it since the year thirty-three, and then not so bad… “…[the bill of mortality –the death rate– mostly the same]; in short our army abroad would shudder to see what streams of blood have been let out” Of course his father is Robert Walpole. How does this connect the 1918 flu pandemic? Well, flu strains are related It’s very likely, or possible I should say, rather than likely, that the Spanish Flu was a descendant of this flu Thanks for joining us today. Come back next week We’ll be heading down to the Indonesian archipelago and the island of Java… …where we’ll see Hindu Buddhist kingdoms war for control over the lucrative spice trade It’s gonna be a ton of backstabbing and Mongol fleets… …and probably one of the tricksiest characters we have ever had on Extra History This guy is neat. Tune in, there’s gonna be war from elephant back and all sorts of neat stuff So, see you next week when we explore the kingdom of Majapahit

100 Comments

  • Reply Extra Credits August 14, 2018 at 8:01 pm

    Many thanks to Rob for his awesome work on these challenging episodes!
    You can enjoy the music for this series here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FAA-rhA2Qo

  • Reply zombielizard218 August 19, 2018 at 1:01 am

    Woodrow Wilson at least got Yugoslavia formed and screwed over Italy before getting sick….
    Wait a moment, that was a bad thing in the long run.

  • Reply iwtie August 19, 2018 at 1:14 am

    i really am trying but i dont like the new guys. their voices are just not interesting to me.

  • Reply Rhiannon Carter August 19, 2018 at 1:19 am

    Labrador is not an island I expect a Lies – Lies episode fixing this thx

  • Reply spacephantomranger August 19, 2018 at 1:28 am

    i spy with my little eye… a mini poe bust!

  • Reply Rick DeClue August 19, 2018 at 1:53 am

    hi this was very well done I have all ways been interested in the flu of 1918 thank you very much

  • Reply Rob Spiess August 19, 2018 at 2:01 am

    @13:00 Canada geese, not Canadian geese. 🙂

  • Reply kalamaron i August 19, 2018 at 2:21 am

    It's a… Hood?

  • Reply mrbrockpeters August 19, 2018 at 2:36 am

    Can someone answer this for me?

    What happened to the high pitched narrator? Was that just a chipmunk filtering effect? Is the current narrator the same? Or is it a different guy? I don't know when this transition happened.

  • Reply ZapLJ August 19, 2018 at 3:05 am

    @13:01 They're called Canada Geese not Canadian Geese

  • Reply Mendicant Bias August 19, 2018 at 3:08 am

    Majapahit? Gajah Mada intensifies!! 😀

  • Reply Michael Patten August 19, 2018 at 3:15 am

    Is that a model of HMS Hood on your desk?

  • Reply Pure Applesauce August 19, 2018 at 4:03 am

    You have a Hawaiian fish hook 🙂

  • Reply TheCreepypro August 19, 2018 at 4:10 am

    James looks a little different here but I can't quite put my finger on how sounds just as smart though

  • Reply Oscar Wind August 19, 2018 at 4:13 am

    I would like to thank you for the pulp episodes. I have a crazy idea to revive them thanks to that. So thanks and can you do an ep on that? Like tips on how to make a pulp?

  • Reply Akhra Lief Gannon August 19, 2018 at 4:20 am

    It's probably most accurate to say there is no such thing as selective pressure FOR anything, ever. Selection is always negative. If one strategy is more successful than another that it is directly competing with, and survives while the other does not, it's not that it was selected for — it that it was a component of the selective pressure AGAINST the competition!

  • Reply Brian Shea August 19, 2018 at 4:24 am

    Pronunciation correction for this video – Canada Geese, not Canadian Geese.

  • Reply biohazard724 August 19, 2018 at 4:26 am

    You failed to mention the vampirism outbreak in England at the time.

  • Reply sinisterai August 19, 2018 at 4:33 am

    not one mention of aspirin

  • Reply Shawn Heatherly August 19, 2018 at 4:55 am

    What's a Lies episode without some flag corrections?

  • Reply Super Juan August 19, 2018 at 5:42 am

    I honestly don’t know why ppl even dislike videos? Like it or move on like fr wtf

  • Reply Jacob Levine August 19, 2018 at 5:44 am

    I just want to know who's idea singing the demonic children ryme in episode 4 was. I watched that at night you monsters! Great show btw

  • Reply joehoe222 August 19, 2018 at 6:07 am

    6:20 Indy Neidell and team would be proud to be proud to be mentioned 🙂

  • Reply DoSo August 19, 2018 at 6:26 am

    You have a model of a gray battleship on your desk. I have a model like that of Bismarck. What battleship do you have?

  • Reply The Holy Mackerel August 19, 2018 at 6:34 am

    Where did Dan And Carrie Floyd go?

  • Reply Timothy Reeves August 19, 2018 at 7:09 am

    @Extra Credits
    Is that an HMS Hood model on your desk?

  • Reply EigaS August 19, 2018 at 7:18 am

    I am really excited for next week

  • Reply Jasper Bell August 19, 2018 at 8:05 am

    You got a bad case of the uhh's my dude.

  • Reply Aleksy The Pony August 19, 2018 at 8:30 am

    Length of this video is 20:18
    And this is year 2018.
    Coincidence? Yes!

  • Reply Jack Doyle August 19, 2018 at 9:18 am

    I always respect these guys as they go back and correct mistakes etc with these "lies" episodes

  • Reply Sean Cain August 19, 2018 at 9:24 am

    Sooooo…. what ship does he have on his desk?

  • Reply Brownskikuca Garlic Bread August 19, 2018 at 11:24 am

    It is an virus

  • Reply Tfin August 19, 2018 at 11:57 am

    Canada Geese.

    Maybe if we stuck an "N" in "Pago," people would be more likely to pronounce them when saying "Pago Pago." It's not like they used that spelling before we moved in and applied our alphabet to the name.

  • Reply James Fancher August 19, 2018 at 12:29 pm

    Walpole!

  • Reply Rayyan Arviandri August 19, 2018 at 1:52 pm

    indonesia,majapahit,javanese im sooooooooooo exciting !!!!!!!!!!!

  • Reply Admorp Risath August 19, 2018 at 2:35 pm

    When's our History of the War of 1812?

  • Reply Rama Rasyid August 19, 2018 at 2:53 pm

    Gajdah Mada isn't it.a A university name after him in Indonesia and I'm currently attending it… It going to be exciting

  • Reply SaCeuran August 19, 2018 at 3:09 pm

    Polandball Nepal in the background makes me super happy

  • Reply Zhorky August 19, 2018 at 4:03 pm

    Still one of my most favorite Extra History episodes.

  • Reply muraalia August 19, 2018 at 4:05 pm

    I don't remember seeing Rob before, is he new around here or just hasn't been on screen (much)? 🙂 Or have I missed something? 😀 In any case: hello 🙂

  • Reply Ron Knowling August 19, 2018 at 4:07 pm

    You might want to watch the NFB film “The Last Days of Okak”. It’s about the Spanish Flu on the North Coast of Labrador. Entire Inuit villages were killed leaving only the children alive. In many cases the dogs did eat the dead but as the film recounts in at least one case a sled dog defended an Inuit girl from the others.

    https://www.nfb.ca/film/last_days_of_okak/

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ts3hFJOLFuo

  • Reply Harris Rihan August 19, 2018 at 4:50 pm

    Good video but PLEASE iron your shirt

  • Reply Extra Credits August 19, 2018 at 5:00 pm

    A few extra LIES from Episode 6, which hadn't aired when we taped this segment:

    H1N1: Many of you correctly pointed out that H1N1 is Swine Flu, not Avian Flu. This is correct, though many theories hold that Spanish Flu was an avian virus that got its genes re-sorted in a pig. In fact, some theories suggest it was an avian flu that jumped to humans, who gave it to pigs, who then gave it back to humans!

    ALEXANDER FLEMING AND PFEIFFER'S BACILLUS: We mentioned that Alexander Fleming left his samples out overnight—but it's worse than that, he left them out when he went on vacation. And strangely, he didn't seem to understand that his discovery was about to reshape medicine. In fact, his paper introducing penicillin mostly proposed it as a research aid for isolating—guess what?—Pfeiffer's bacillus! Penicillin didn't effect Pfeiffer's bacillus, so the paper was mostly about this amazing substance that would kill all the other bacteria that tended to make Pfeiffer's so hard to isolate. Which just goes to show how people were still hunting Pfeiffer's, even into the 1920s.

    HOOD MODEL: Great job everyone on spotting my model of HMS Hood! I built it to get a feel for the ship while writing Hunting the Bismarck. But so far no one's spotted the real WWI relic on my desk or in the background. Any guesses?

  • Reply fuzzydragon August 19, 2018 at 5:47 pm

    Ive been loving this channel do you think you could tackle America's forgotten civil war the Shay's rebellion?

  • Reply FateHasArrived YT August 19, 2018 at 5:53 pm

    I like Ned Kelly more than this but good job ? also can you do smallpox I dont know why I’m asking but I just came up of it

  • Reply Thee N August 19, 2018 at 6:45 pm

    Hey can you make another video about iran history and what happen with iran an the muslims after khosrau died

  • Reply H J August 19, 2018 at 7:50 pm

    Thanks for doing these correction episodes. My grandmother told me about her memories of the 1918 flu when I was a kid, and it sounded terrifying, but I learned a lot watching this series. Thanks for that. And finally, I'm looking forward to the newest topic!

  • Reply Manly Stranger August 19, 2018 at 11:11 pm

    Despite the errors you pointed out in this episode, please be aware you are putting out a very high quality product and I personally appreciate it.

  • Reply Tkd saints August 19, 2018 at 11:21 pm

    Correction about the great war channel they finished the spring offensive and are now on the one hundred days offensive

  • Reply Cyrodil01 August 20, 2018 at 1:16 am

    You should do one on Queen Liliuokalani of the Hawaiian Kingdom

  • Reply CousinoMacul August 20, 2018 at 3:00 am

    Another lie: it's Canada geese, not Canadian geese. ;-P

  • Reply OneWingedAngelsBand August 20, 2018 at 3:27 am

    Hi. Do you take suggestions? I really enjoyed learning more about ancient history. If you could do more episodes about famous conquerors like Alexander the Great or Napoleon that would be great! Or maybe something from Ancient China perhaps. (Really enjoyed the episodes about Japan, Genghis Khan, Hannibal and Admiral Yi)

  • Reply Leonardo Verdiani August 20, 2018 at 8:23 am

    I started watching you guys not far ago and from the first minute of the first your video I've watched I've fallen in love with your script and with your drawing style. You guys are awesome and I won't stop watching you! Love from Italy!

  • Reply Binidj August 20, 2018 at 8:31 am

    Haile Selassi is pronounced quite differently to … what you said.

    Very roughly it should be: Hye-lee Suh-LASS-ee

    More accurately: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cd/Haile_Selassie.ogg

    As penance you should totally do an EH series on him.

  • Reply Gaz August 20, 2018 at 10:10 am

    I'm starting to think they're getting the flags wrong on purpose just to see how many people are paying attention =p

  • Reply It was Walpole August 20, 2018 at 12:45 pm

    I know the cause of the flu

  • Reply Gianluca Borg August 20, 2018 at 1:34 pm

    Three things. First, loved the series. Second, loved this episode of "Lies". Third, I love that battleship model, what ship is it?

  • Reply Emine Semsioglu August 20, 2018 at 3:28 pm

    extra history ussr

  • Reply Tayla D. August 20, 2018 at 5:30 pm

    Wait for it… the Mongols

  • Reply Silas Mayes August 20, 2018 at 5:43 pm

    The 1918 Flu Pandemic is one of the best series on this channel!!!

  • Reply Harry Potter August 20, 2018 at 5:47 pm

    Excellent work with the Spanish Flu! I never had any idea that this pandemic was as bad as it was; amazing how deep history and its secrets go!

    I do have a small critique for you, though. Take it or leave it, as you need to.

    For your next project, might I suggest not doing the Lies segment from behind a desk? I know it seems silly, but the tone set from a person speaking across a desk implies formality, impersonality, and distance from your audience. It’s as though we’re getting a lecture from “the boss” instead of an extra episode where the fun information you wanted to add but couldn’t sees the light.

    I realize that there could have been recording issues, equipment issues, etc that prevented this. I also understand how being nervous in front of an audience (who isn’t? ^_^ ) will want you to put something between yourself and the camera. If none of these were a factor, please forgive my presumption.

    But if you want to really win your audience over, I recommend you make friends with them. Push away the desk. Pretend you’re inviting us over to share your amazing stories.

    I can’t wait Extra History’s next project, Rob. Keep up the good work!

  • Reply _ISO_ August 21, 2018 at 1:13 am

    What is with the music from the Catherine episodes

  • Reply A R August 21, 2018 at 2:07 am

    There is good information in your video. However, it was very frustrating that you didn't mention the overall POINT of the video right in the beginning. You talked about many random things, and perhaps your regular viewers (you referred to them "many of you….") but a new viewer such as myself really didn't understand the context of your thoughts or the overall point.

  • Reply Aryllix ghost August 21, 2018 at 2:11 am

    Anyone else wanna be an epidemiologist when they grow up

  • Reply Burritozi11a August 21, 2018 at 2:56 am

    "on the island of Labrador"

    Aha ha…no, Labrador is not an island. Are you sure you're not thinking of Newfoundland?

  • Reply Just a Top hat August 21, 2018 at 3:12 am

    You should call this extra lies

  • Reply Luis Galindo Leyva, Jr August 21, 2018 at 4:21 am

    perfect time 20:18

  • Reply Author- chan August 21, 2018 at 6:14 am

    Extra Credits
    can you guys make an episode about the EDSA revolution or something? I find the topic quite interesting, or you guys can make a video about the war on drugs on the philippines, or about the argument on who actually claims the west china sea? i find all those topics interesting

  • Reply Kozhiyar Azad August 21, 2018 at 8:23 am

    I really miss the old cast

  • Reply ItzAra MSP August 21, 2018 at 12:53 pm

    Good day extra credits! A new subscriber from the Philippines! I just wanted to suggest a video about my country, the Philippines. I just noticed that you still havent made one, I watched some of your extra history videos and i loved it ❤! Specially when it is about the women who made something revolutionary yet let's go back to my main pont. I really wanted to see a video ahout the Philippines maybe about the Spanish Colonialization or maybe our former president Ferdinand Marcos who created the Martial Law and what we're the events that happened. Anything about my country will be appreciated ❤. I look forward to your uploads, thank you very much! Love from the Philippines ❤.

  • Reply Roy Jones August 21, 2018 at 9:12 pm

    My suggestion for illustrating someone with “salt and pepper“hair is to leave the main body/fill up their hair the original color and just make the outline/ink line gray.

  • Reply Cannedcokecane344 A gaming channel August 21, 2018 at 10:56 pm

    My life is a lie

  • Reply zZloff August 22, 2018 at 11:12 am

    It's not the flag of Germany, but rather of the German Kaiserreich back before the Great War and in the time of the German Republic in the Twenties. Important difference.

  • Reply Scarlet Letter August 22, 2018 at 9:36 pm

    Why don't you have a lies clip for your Extra History one shots? Don't those have Walpoles and other bits that might need exploring or explaining?

  • Reply Thomas Bell August 23, 2018 at 5:28 am

    I love this series and have watched almost every single episode released. I was wondering where you get your information for the episodes so I can go into greater depth.

  • Reply Marcus Bierman August 23, 2018 at 8:25 pm

    A lie* in lies: The Mayor was Thomas B. Smith, not Thomas S. Smith.

    *Rob probably just misspoke.

  • Reply max walraevens August 24, 2018 at 12:06 pm

    How can y'all not have fan-wear. I need one of dem tshirts with "Bismarck always has a plan" or "it was walpole" lmao. Keep up the solid video's, really fun and interesting. Also consider putting Churchill up for consideration for a season,Ezz 6ep and after all probably the man biggest factor in the allies winning WII. I'd really like to see your take on his story. Similar to Bismarck giant influence on Europe.

  • Reply Toastborz 0113 August 24, 2018 at 5:18 pm

    what happened to the high pitched fella

  • Reply Nelson Smith August 25, 2018 at 4:47 am

    The one thing I find I love about the Extra History series is the lack of moralizing when talking about the past that so many other history channels feel obliged to include. Thank you for giving your audience the credit for having intelligence enough to know that societal standards have evolved from what they once were and don't need to have proceedings stopped to explain to them why we don't think certain ways anymore, or to pass judgement on cultures that don't think as we do.

  • Reply Jon Otto August 25, 2018 at 7:43 am

    Majapahit!

  • Reply Pyro August 25, 2018 at 1:04 pm

    Can you go back to the Sengoku period series and talk about Takeda Shingen ? :V

  • Reply Kyle Thomas August 25, 2018 at 11:44 pm

    Sah-lah-see-Eye

  • Reply Phuong Nguyen August 26, 2018 at 8:02 am

    Why? Is me Lie

  • Reply OmnissiahZelos August 26, 2018 at 4:11 pm

    WHY CANT I DISLIKE YOU MORE!?

  • Reply lochlann cairns August 28, 2018 at 10:30 am

    Pissed me off that he just strait up lied for dramatic effect. I want to fucking learn here 1st get entertained 2nd

  • Reply Analisa Digati September 6, 2018 at 5:25 pm

    EH and flags, messing them up is a tradition!

  • Reply Desiree Paahana September 9, 2018 at 3:55 am

    Now you're still pronouncing the capital of Samoa. G is pronounced with a soft ng sound that is made where the back of the tongue touches the roof of the mouth. Similar (incidentally) to the sound at the end of the word tongue.

  • Reply Garda Jr September 14, 2018 at 5:11 am

    I knew I was right about the German flag being wrong!

  • Reply Faboert September 20, 2018 at 9:20 pm

    Island of Labrador? Peninsula, you mean.

  • Reply Neko S4ma October 1, 2018 at 10:07 am

    Another documentary about this flu pandemic: https://archive.org/details/gov.hhs.cms.006719

  • Reply codecmgs October 5, 2018 at 3:52 am

    You guys Should totally do the war of the triple alliance. Brazil, Argentina and Uruguay vs Paraguay. Soooooo much history!

  • Reply Celina K October 9, 2018 at 4:10 pm

    15:30 the better timeline?

  • Reply Sean Hartnett October 14, 2018 at 10:19 pm

    + extra credits
    Please do an episode on the Spanish flu origin theories. Please also do an episode on the dispute on the death toll of the Spanish flu. Some earlier sources say 50 million dead. Whereas modern sources or more new sources say 75 million, 80 million, 100 million, 125 million.

  • Reply Philippa K November 16, 2018 at 10:25 am

    Is that a Matau (Maori)/Makau (Hawaiian) hanging off the bookshelf?
    And that looks like a gas filter and compass on your desk.

  • Reply ACIDesignsUY January 8, 2019 at 6:40 am

    An Ebola series???

  • Reply Brian Bethea February 10, 2019 at 1:13 pm

    Ah, the pattern recognition part of your brain is broken? We'd make a great team! My pattern recognition is great, it's just the entire rest of my brain that's broken. We'd make one functioning brain between the two of us.

  • Reply Tawanda Clark February 15, 2019 at 7:58 pm

    100% The flu pandemic is a lie and overrated. I don't get the shot and I don't get the flu.

  • Reply Dougie Quick May 15, 2019 at 5:59 am

    What a crap video all for a crappy lousy title … What a shit thing to do

  • Reply Brady Menting June 10, 2019 at 3:56 am

    what does the HMS Hood have to do with the Spanish Flu?

  • Reply Charrie Angelle September 9, 2019 at 6:17 am

    self centered Ass hole! Using this title that is meaningful to millions.: for u to talk about a flag

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