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How a Sick Chimp Led to a Global Pandemic: The Rise of HIV

August 25, 2019

Here at SciShow, we talk a lot about the fascinating,
complicated, and often very weird stories of discovery and collaboration that led to
the science we know today. But one of the strangest is something we haven’t
covered in much detail before, and it’s a biggie: the decades it took to figure out
exactly what HIV and AIDS were, and how to prevent and treat them. Since the start of the AIDS crisis, some 70
million people have been infected with HIV, and 35 million of those people have died. Both those numbers are staggering in their
own way, and together, they tell the story of a disease that has led to an incredible
amount of loss, but also one that — if you’re lucky enough to have access to the right medicines
— is no longer a death sentence. So, in honor of World AIDS Day on December
1, we want to tell you that story. There’s a lot to cover, so we’ll do it
in two parts. This episode, we’ll go over how we figured
out what HIV is, when the infection morphs into AIDS, and where we think the virus came
from. Next time, we’ll look back to the earliest
treatments, the arrival of antiretroviral drugs, which were complete game-changers,
and go over the creative ways scientists are now thinking about prevention and possibly
even a cure. But first, the basics. HIV, or human immunodeficiency virus, is a
retrovirus that infects immune cells, most notably what are known as CD4 T cells. The “retrovirus” part just means that
the virus uses RNA — DNA’s more wily, less stable cousin — as its genetic material,
and that once HIV infects a cell, it makes a DNA version of its genome with a special
enzyme, then inserts that DNA into the host genome. If that sounds sneaky — well, it is. And it’s part of why HIV has been so difficult
to treat, which we’ll talk about more next time. Now, those CD4 T cells that HIV infects and
ultimately kills are a kind of white blood cell known as ‘helper’ T cells. When they recognize a threat, they pump out
proteins that help coordinate a bunch of different immune responses. You definitely want them around. HIV is spread by bodily fluids, including
blood, semen, vaginal fluid, and breast milk. That’s why HIV can be transmitted through
sex, dirty needles, breastfeeding, and any other swapping of fluids you might do — with
a major exception: saliva isn’t one of those fluids. Saliva is full of other stuff that prevents
HIV from being infectious, like antibodies and a bunch of antimicrobial proteins. So unless there’s a lot of blood in your
saliva for some reason, it can’t transmit HIV. When someone is first infected, they might
feel like they have a bout of the flu, with a fever, headache, rash, sore throat, and
muscle and joint pain. That’s because the virus is infecting lots
of cells and the immune system is trying to fight it off. But within a few weeks those symptoms pass
because by then the person has specific antibodies that can keep the virus from running totally
rampant. After that, they usually feel fine for a long
time — in many cases, a really long time, like several decades. Until, one day, they don’t, because the
virus has finally killed off too many T cells, leaving the body unable to properly defend
itself against pathogens — anything that might be dangerous or infectious. That’s when someone is said to have AIDS,
or acquired immune deficiency syndrome. Usually AIDS is diagnosed once the person’s
T cell count falls below 200 cells per microliter of blood, which is well below the normal 500-1500,
or if they develop what’s called an opportunistic infection. These are infections that anyone with a reasonably
strong immune system would be able to fight off, easy-peasy. But because HIV has obliterated most of their
T cells, AIDS patients get sick. And, they can die. Most of the time it’s an opportunistic infection
that killed them. So, some of that was probably familiar to
you, but pretend for a moment that you’ve never heard of HIV or anything else I just
mentioned. Because back in the ‘80s, we didn’t know
these basic facts. All doctors knew was that suddenly, healthy
young gay men were developing extremely rare infections and cancers — and, it was killing
them. One of the first people to notice the pattern
was an immunologist at UCLA. Between the fall of 1980 and the following
spring, he saw a string of five patients, all gay men in their 20s or 30s, with an unusual
kind of pneumonia. There was a fungus growing inside their lungs. Normally, the fungus was totally harmless
and would never infect the lungs, but in these men it had, and it was making it hard for
them to breathe. The patients also had oral thrush — basically
yeast infections in their mouths — and few CD4 T cells. By June, when the immunologist wrote up the
results for the CDC’s weekly Mortality and Morbidity report, two patients had died. A month later, a dermatologist in New York
chimed in with a similarly disturbing report, this time with Kaposi’s sarcoma, a rare
cancer where patients develop blotchy purple lesions on their skin. In two and a half years, 26 young gay men
in New York and LA had been diagnosed with Kaposi’s. Some also had the weird fungal pneumonia,
and 8 had died. It’s hard to imagine now, but at this point,
scientists had no idea what was making people sick. They didn’t know if it was some sort of
toxin or a pathogen. And if it was an infection of some kind, they
didn’t know how it was spreading. That meant they couldn’t warn people about
how to protect themselves. The association with gay men, though, was
certainly striking, and early on, many called the mystery disease GRID, for gay-related
immune deficiency. Lots of people would talk about it as the
“gay cancer” or “gay plague.” But the disease wasn’t limited to gay men. It was turning up in hemophiliacs — people
whose blood doesn’t clot properly and are treated with clotting factors taken from other
people’s blood. Doctors were also seeing cases in IV drug
users, women, infants, and heterosexual men. In particular, 20 recent immigrants from Haiti
had gotten sick, and none said they were gay. Those clues were important, because they told
scientists the disease — which had finally been given the name AIDS — was probably
infectious, and probably transmitted by blood. There were other diseases that spread in similar
ways, like hepatitis B. So in March of 1983, the CDC issued a warning
that doctors needed to be careful about blood transfusions, and that the disease seemed
to spread through both gay and straight sex. Debates about the specifics, including whether
it could spread through saliva, would happen later. But what was the infectious agent? The race was on for scientists to figure out
what was causing the disease. French molecular biologist Luc Montagnier
suspected a virus because at the time, the blood products hemophiliacs used were filtered
for things like bacteria and fungi. But viruses were too small to catch. So along with his colleague Françoise Barré-Sinoussi,
he searched cells taken from AIDS patients and found a retrovirus. Around the same time, Robert Gallo at the
NIH in the US also identified a retrovirus in samples from AIDS patients. Both groups published their work in May 1983,
and shortly afterward another team found yet another retrovirus. All the viruses had been given different names,
and at first, it’s wasn’t totally obvious that they were the same thing. But they were, and in 1986, the cause of AIDS
had been given an official name: HIV. So, HIV was the problem, but where had it
come from, and why had the epidemic struck now, in the decade of big hair and Michael
Jackson? While some researchers were scrambling to
identify whatever it was that made AIDS infectious, others noticed that macaque monkeys also seemed
to suffer from an AIDS-like disease. One group decided to take some blood samples
from these sick monkeys, and in 1985 they found a virus that was similar to HIV. It was eventually called SIV, for simian immunodeficiency
virus. Researchers started to think that HIV might
have come from our primate relatives, jumping the species barrier. After a lot of work, they figured out that
the virus behind the epidemic was very similar to the chimpanzee version of SIV, and they
were the ones who had passed it to us. But how exactly? There’s no real way to put this delicately,
but most scientists agree that the reason why SIV made the leap into humans — what’s
called a spillover — is because we had a taste for bushmeat, or wild game. In this case, monkeys and chimps. This is known as the cut-hunter hypothesis. In the course of butchering a chimpanzee,
some SIV-infected chimp blood enters a small cut on the hunter’s hand. Or, a bit of blood splatters in their mouth. The virus is close enough to human biology
to infect the hunter, and over time, if the hunter passes the virus along to enough people,
it evolves into the HIV we know today. Spillovers like these happened many times
— we can tell because the virus mutates quickly, and by looking at genetic differences,
we can identify multiple lineages of the virus, each one corresponding to a spillover. We’ve traced the current epidemic to just
one of these, called ‘M’ for main. By analyzing chimpanzee pee and poop, researchers
think the chimps who passed that version of the virus to us lived in southwestern Cameroon,
in the forests near the Congo. And based on the oldest blood samples we can
find that we now know have HIV in them, which are from 1959 and 1960, scientists estimate
that HIV-1 first infected humans around 1908. If that seems like a long time ago, well,
it takes a while for a virus to take off. By the 1920s, it’s thought that the virus
traveled downriver — in a person, of course — to the burgeoning city of Kinshasa, then
known as the Belgian colonial city of Leopoldville. There weren’t many women around other than
prostitutes, so experts think HIV spread that way, and possibly through injectable drugs
the colonists used to treat some tropical and venereal diseases. This was before disposable syringes, and nurses
were trying to treat lots of people with just a few of them, so the syringes may have only
been rinsed with alcohol before being used on the next patient. So the very methods meant to stop the spread
of disease may have actually been
encouraging it. With time, infected people in Kinshasa left
to go to other places, and they did the unavoidable: they brought the virus with them. Because the virus mutates so quickly, we can
group the viruses into 9 different subtypes and get a sense of how HIV traveled around
the world from Central Africa. Several subtypes spread to other parts of
Africa. Subtype C went south and then landed in India. Subtype B went to Haiti — and then, through
several quirks of history, came to the US. First, in 1960, when the Belgians left the
Congo, French-speaking Haitians started to arrive in the Congo to work as doctors, lawyers,
and other professionals. But with the creation of Zaire in 1965, the
immigrants felt unwelcome, so they went back to Haiti, bringing HIV with them. There, HIV expanded especially quickly, possibly
because of a plasmapheresis center where people could get paid to donate their blood plasma. The center used a machine that mixed the blood
of different donors, allowing viruses to transfer. By 1982, nearly 8 percent of a group of young
mothers in a Port-au-Prince slum were HIV-positive — an astoundingly high number. HIV is thought to have entered the US around
1969, with just one infected person or unit of plasma from Haiti. It took about a decade for anyone to notice,
but by then it was too late. The epidemic had begun, and HIV was not only
in the Americas, but Europe and Asia, too. And now that it was here, we needed to figure
out how to fight it. But we’ll get to that in the next episode
of this mini-series. In the meantime, thanks for watching this
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  • Reply MIZU August 8, 2019 at 11:05 am

    Is it weird that I thought for a long time that HIV was first transmitted by a person having unprotected sex with a chimpanzee

  • Reply NauticalStrings August 8, 2019 at 2:54 pm

    Robert Gallo made AIDS

  • Reply twisted1800 August 8, 2019 at 3:09 pm

    This was either an experiment gone wrong or sent out into the world by our own government, the monkey just didn't get HIV and just passed it on to humans,if you people believe that you need to wake up. Some people would even believe it's a form of population control, we will never know will we.

  • Reply Johan Liljegren August 8, 2019 at 10:51 pm

    HIV and Aids are still a very scary thing.

  • Reply The Legacy of Gaming August 9, 2019 at 9:59 am

    1908? But those chimpanzees existed way before then. Why would it all of a sudden become a problem?

  • Reply The Legacy of Gaming August 9, 2019 at 10:00 am

    Also, I read that HIV was actually created in the lab by growing something on chimpanzees liver to cure polio. The scientists screwed everyone over.

  • Reply Paul Gibbons August 9, 2019 at 12:15 pm

    Interspecies relations cause illness. Gawd. Never trust zoo keepers.

  • Reply Kpop sucks fight me August 9, 2019 at 10:51 pm

    I just got an ad for hiv

  • Reply Kpop sucks fight me August 9, 2019 at 10:51 pm

    I just got an ad for hiv

  • Reply Kpop sucks fight me August 9, 2019 at 10:52 pm

    i just got an ad for HIV

  • Reply Pastor Joint420 August 10, 2019 at 2:31 pm

    its a Joke Aids is a man Lab Crafted killing patend virus owned by the Rothschild's

  • Reply Rick Pearce August 10, 2019 at 2:40 pm

    You left out the alleged unintentional contamination of the vaccines that were contaminated because the scientists didn't follow lab protocol and used a chimpanzee that hadn't cleared quarantine.

  • Reply Sebastian Fibes August 10, 2019 at 3:16 pm

    Find a cure for influenza first which kills more people wold wide.

  • Reply Romans 3:4 August 10, 2019 at 4:42 pm

    Hiv was invented in a lab it's already been proven.

  • Reply trafficjon400 August 10, 2019 at 6:37 pm

    a chinp did it all'. funny

  • Reply Ernest Fox August 10, 2019 at 7:00 pm

    This reminds me of an Ebola virus documentary. One woman cut herself while in the process of cooking a chimp's arm. She wore no gloves, the environment was unsanitary, all while, was ignorant and cared less about contracting anything. "Ebola doesn't exist here"

  • Reply Dave Vencatasamy August 10, 2019 at 7:00 pm

    Sorry pal, HIV was created in the lab, so was the vaccine.

  • Reply Plex Tonium August 10, 2019 at 7:03 pm

    Let me sum this up in a few words there was and had never been a case of HIV in Africa pre second world war…this was a time when biological warfare was in its prime and was tested and developed further on "rural Africans" by the West…This was developed as a population control mechanism…unfortunately for the powers that be its effects are too slow in affecting population growth and hence theyve developed Ebola as an alternative to speed up the death rates….FACT!!

  • Reply acajudi100 August 10, 2019 at 8:42 pm

    House In Virginia aka H.I.V. All in death ish aka AIDS.

    Stop being nasty, and digging your graves with your mouth and private parts.

  • Reply Lineke L August 10, 2019 at 10:51 pm

    Jep, that chimp lived in a US laboratory, next to the one who had ebola… send it to his brothers in Africa with the vaccine for smallpox….

  • Reply John Grund August 12, 2019 at 2:15 pm

    Negatory. There’s a cure, but it’s not medicine. Latvia, temperature (other search words: ).

  • Reply Michael Rualzakhuma August 12, 2019 at 4:29 pm

    HIV is manufactured by NWO globalist syndicate inorder to depopulate the planet to a gorvernable level.

  • Reply USA August 12, 2019 at 6:06 pm

    Scientist created HIV. Man made, United nation government did this to the people. the government force immunization on the people. they were test rats .

  • Reply Plato's Cave August 12, 2019 at 6:16 pm

    I had this video on in the background, sat down and expected to see John Green, you sound so alike to each other.

  • Reply George Boehringer August 13, 2019 at 12:04 am

    AIDS kills homosexuals

  • Reply Slippin Jimmy August 13, 2019 at 12:57 am

    AIDS = Anally Injected Death Sentence.

  • Reply DIGIVOXJ23 August 13, 2019 at 3:06 am


  • Reply Roy Rice August 13, 2019 at 8:53 am

    Nobody wants to admit or tell the truth. AIDs became an epidemic due to sexual immorality. That’s it!! Don’t even try to argue with me.

  • Reply De Roy August 13, 2019 at 10:19 am

    Hmmm ever think the polio vaccination that was made from monkeys and given to about 5 million Africans has something to do with it?

  • Reply Rome Monroe August 13, 2019 at 7:43 pm

    It was created in a lab. Every chemist knows this.

  • Reply ashleydawn makeup August 13, 2019 at 10:57 pm

    Very informative video! I learned so many things I had no clue about.

  • Reply Dave Hauthorn August 14, 2019 at 12:23 am

    Where did it originate? US ARMY.

  • Reply Pinocchio Hotel & Restaurant August 14, 2019 at 6:43 am

    How sick study created?

  • Reply Chris tuper August 14, 2019 at 1:26 pm

    Hampogi namen ni koya

  • Reply Chris Duderstaudt August 14, 2019 at 1:53 pm

    I'll bet that guy has aids

  • Reply Kenneth Rassie August 14, 2019 at 5:11 pm

    HIV took the focus off all the other s.t.d.s .We will see the results of that later .

  • Reply jacob tuyishime August 14, 2019 at 8:46 pm

    That's is a lie

  • Reply News that matter August 14, 2019 at 9:54 pm

    It wasn't no damn no damn chimp. Wake up and think. If it were in fact from a chimp, then we would have seen HIV or heard about it's effects much earlier? why did have to wait till the 70's for it to magically become an Pandemic.

  • Reply David Davis August 14, 2019 at 9:55 pm

    Interesting in 1988 I was a Corpsman in the Navy. We were at a conference. United Nations Scientists. That is not what we were told. We were told HIV was spread during vaccinations in the Congo in the 1960's the vaccine was contaminated with virus.

  • Reply Peter August 15, 2019 at 1:50 am

    That chimp was deliberately infected with HIV.
    He was a test dummy
    Ask yourself how this disease just suddenly appeared out of nowhere.
    In nature it doesn't happen like that. Congolese have for thousand of years eaten chimp meat with no harmful effects, if the AIDS pathogen passed to humans from contaminated meat it would have happened long ago.
    It was without doubt engineered in a laboratory, how do you explain Aids in the Congo democratic republic and Aids in Haiti on the other side of the Atlantic Ocean at exactly the same time, I will tell you why because it was a controlled experiment on the human population, desperately poor countries were deliberately targeted as human Guinea pigs.

  • Reply Marcel Miller August 15, 2019 at 2:18 am

    The title should read: How the evil American government created hiv/aids to kill millions of Black people.

  • Reply Felis John August 15, 2019 at 3:14 am

    European creations for black men. God make sure everyone get it.
    Send glory to yeshua Hamasshiach .

  • Reply slyfor2 August 15, 2019 at 5:03 am

    God what is it with Kinshasa and emerging RNA viruses?? Thats also were the very severe Ebolavirus Ziare outbreak of 1976 started

  • Reply Lbolting005 August 15, 2019 at 5:08 am

    🤦‍♂️ sharing syringes 💉 in Africa to prevent diseases, but only to spread it!

  • Reply mike johnson August 15, 2019 at 6:53 am

    Thanks to the former governor of California Jerry Brown, he say it’s ok to pass hiv to others. 😔

  • Reply mike johnson August 15, 2019 at 6:54 am

    AIDS came from Africa 🤣

  • Reply kengian delacruz August 15, 2019 at 7:33 am


  • Reply DesertRat45 August 15, 2019 at 1:01 pm

    Its a biologically engineered weapon. It has all the earmarks of one and even microbiologists agree. Why dont you worry about californiadectiminalizing the act of people knowingly infecting others with it

  • Reply BigC August 15, 2019 at 4:37 pm

    A chimp my ass some scientist was cooking this shut up

  • Reply Tony Parks August 15, 2019 at 9:00 pm

  • Reply Rodney Dodson August 16, 2019 at 2:56 am

    The theory that the original AIDS illnesses were caused by a mysterious killer virus from apes in Africa which found its way into the bodies of the most hated people in the US right around their revolution is total science fiction. Not a shred of evidence to support any of it. And it's blatant to anyone capable of critical thinking. Watch the international award winning documentaries Positively False, Emperor's New Virus and Beyond the Fear. HIV does not cause AIDS. No virus caused the original AIDS illnesses back in the 80s. All HIV drugs are toxic and unnecessary. The original AIDS drugs killed over 300,000 US Citizens. And all HIV tests aren't even gold standard, standardized nor confirmatory. None of them. AIDs is a 300 BILLION dollar industry of censored junk science.

  • Reply jetblackhair92 August 16, 2019 at 10:09 am

    He's handsome.

  • Reply Scott Bridgeforth August 16, 2019 at 10:10 am

    Was a Paramedic in Honolulu in 1992  Well remember the Kaposi Sarcoma on their skin and the Mycoplasma in their Brains  The elderly that had contracted from well meaning Blood Transfusions during surgery.   I was stuck with a needle from a Port HIV Positive patient  I never Converted   ….my girlfriend left me immediately out of Real Fear

  • Reply J. August 16, 2019 at 10:04 pm

    Mother nature was trying to do the civilized world a favor and all the so-called evil people from that civilized world risk their own health trying to work against mother nature.

  • Reply Migue N. August 17, 2019 at 1:51 am

    I remember reading an article that AIDS was made by the USA government back in the 1950s A young man named Robert Rayford contracted this disease in 1959 not 1969, and it bafffled the doctors. I believe a Norwegian sailor also contracted it so I don't believe it came from monkeys. Very scary that these diseases are created and dropped in Africa.

  • Reply Big Boss August 17, 2019 at 6:21 am

    So having aids is basically being Antivaxx

  • Reply Marsh Mello Official August 17, 2019 at 10:10 am


  • Reply xzqzq August 17, 2019 at 11:21 am

    Excellent video.

  • Reply R K August 17, 2019 at 12:00 pm

    Monkeys are the cause of hiv.

  • Reply Paul Christman August 17, 2019 at 3:32 pm

    Ohh my, this info, accurate or not, is bound to stir up a boatload of feces among the political correctness police. Essentially, HIV/AIDS among humans is being blamed on Africans, whom are already, of course, the most unjustly maligned and, all down throughout history, savagely mistreated people on Earth. What would Desmond Tutu and Nelson Mandela say ?!

  • Reply Brajesh Singh August 17, 2019 at 4:49 pm

    the real heroes of our society are all scientists and biologists . what great work they did on this.

  • Reply izkormvach August 18, 2019 at 9:55 am

    The sick chimp was called C.I.A.!😉

  • Reply pp lai August 18, 2019 at 10:36 am

    Aids was god's punishment for greedy human souls.

  • Reply Tex200950 August 20, 2019 at 7:55 am

    NOT A GOOD INVENTION !!!!!!!!!!

  • Reply Pebbles and Woo Woo August 20, 2019 at 8:58 am

    I'm a bit disappointed that westerners involvement making and distributing the Polio vaccine hasn't been mentioned when it highly likely that is the main cause of the epidemic. I understand no one country can admit this fault as the compensation would be insurmountable but it should be included in the hypothesis of the video! The use of the monkeys and their blood for making the carrier for the vaccine was the (most likely) cause for it entering humans causing the epidemic, especially when it was localized to the areas which later had the outbreaks! I would encourage anyone reading this to look further into it as it is a historic human rights violation which no one will even acknowledge.

    Please forgive me if I have some details incorrect, I am simply going from memory and will edit any detail accordingly should anyone point me wrong.

    Edit: OPV AIDS Hypothesis

  • Reply Keziah Eaddy August 20, 2019 at 11:59 am

    The video sounds absolutely ridiculous. There is a patent for HIV so it’s a lie a Hunter got it from a cut on his finger

  • Reply HardToMell o August 20, 2019 at 7:06 pm

    Really there’s a world aids day really???

  • Reply ari peryatd August 20, 2019 at 7:59 pm

    peaches felt that

  • Reply alanjrkaminski August 20, 2019 at 10:28 pm

    I'm at 6:56 and all I can think about is God saying that I found the most dangerous plague ever but I hid it up a monkey's ass so far nobody will ever find it

  • Reply Dark Madder August 21, 2019 at 8:15 am

    When Salk discovered the way to cure polio, right away the government jumped in. Sabin took over the research program. Salk warned them "Don't use LIVE VIRUS in the vaccine, only DEAD VIRUS, because there are a number of UNKNOWN PATHOGENS, Virus etc from the chimps". The Spook establishment went "Wait – WHAT UNKNOWN PATHOGENS?" Then they proceeded to use LIVE VIRUS in their "trials". The HIV virus was isolated, then injected into test subjects – there are photos of Sabin SMILING as they injected CHILDREN in the Congo, telling folks it was a polio vaccine. By the time this disease made landfall in the US, researchers had noted that this disease was spread primarily through anal sex, then eventually also spread through IV drug use. The Conservative mindset of the day was " GOOD! A disease to wipe out the queers and junkies, GREAT!", and proceeded with a "God's Wrath" propaganda campaign. It was only when elites began to bring the disease into the family circle after contracting it from their prostitutes that officials began to care. Up until that point, the Reagan administration did everything they could to suppress preventative info. The Ebola virus was discovered in the same program. Nowadays they want you to believe this was a "natural" occurance. Bio-warfare was the focus and intent. There is a lot of intentional misinformation on this subject online to obfuscate these sad facts.

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  • Reply Anonymous random Guy August 23, 2019 at 4:45 am

    I think HIV was a curse from almighty God to punish the wicked. Follow God’s laws…!

  • Reply loverlyme August 24, 2019 at 9:54 am

    Oxygen required: I think this presenter forgot to breathe for ten minutes! Take a breath between sentences, mate. It's okay to talk fast- just give us some time to process each sentence before diving into the next one. Otherwise, this is a very tidy presentation. Some interesting facts that I had no idea of back in the 80s eg that the virus may have started in 1908 and spread gradually around the world from then. Can you imagine a virus taking that long to spread around the world today? The rate of movement around the globe in current times would mean a virus can spread within weeks, if not days.

  • Reply Prussian Boi August 24, 2019 at 6:25 pm

    Moral of the story don’t have butt sex

  • Reply Andyrfa August 24, 2019 at 8:26 pm

    They say the monkey theory can't explain why the hiv has only shown up recently when the African have been eating monkeys for centuries?

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