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HIV and flu — the vaccine strategy – Seth Berkley

October 23, 2019


100 Comments

  • Reply Dlu March 8, 2013 at 9:50 pm

    Stop…

  • Reply seevernet1 March 8, 2013 at 10:16 pm

    Not really, HIV is more like the attackers who climb the ladder and attack the archers on the wall: they are not good at close range combat: What a vaccine would do is teach those archers hand to hand combat so that should HIV scale the wall, then the archers are not defenseless.

  • Reply Bingus March 8, 2013 at 10:47 pm

    I wish they didn't give you any vaccines at all as a kid, and saved those shots for someone with a brain.

  • Reply TheTerriblePuddle March 8, 2013 at 10:56 pm

    Your immune system needs to learn and that is where vaccines comes in.

  • Reply eurohim March 8, 2013 at 11:19 pm

    Learn something about the actual history of medicine, vaccines and disease and you'll see how wrong you are as clear as day. Polio and Smallpox are a good place to start.

  • Reply nassir480 March 9, 2013 at 12:19 am

    How old is this ? Swine flu ??

  • Reply Fupa Fiend March 9, 2013 at 12:35 am

    "with new vaccines for flu, malaria, ect. we can end suffering" no shit…

  • Reply Hector Cortez March 9, 2013 at 12:43 am

    Several pathogens can hide and avoid detection by the immune system.

  • Reply J.R. W March 9, 2013 at 1:00 am

    You have no fucking clue how the immune system works.

  • Reply Dzikkaz March 9, 2013 at 1:12 am

    Yes, you are born with an immune system, but how can it fight a disease that it has never met? Vaccines "train" your immune system, so that when your immune system encounters the treat, it can deal with it.

  • Reply Clovis Fox March 9, 2013 at 1:20 am

    I hope you die of smallpox.

  • Reply TheaDragonSpirit March 9, 2013 at 2:04 am

    There is no such thing as luck. Obviously we didn't need the vaccine.

  • Reply TheaDragonSpirit March 9, 2013 at 2:08 am

    They make money off the government you dummy! Who pays the government. The people.

  • Reply TheaDragonSpirit March 9, 2013 at 2:12 am

    I would like to see the science behind this. And proof that it's not just to malnutrition and bad diet.

  • Reply Chicarabiosa March 9, 2013 at 2:13 am

    -said nobody who got polio or any other virtually extinct diseases.

  • Reply Spectastic March 9, 2013 at 2:18 am

    yea, and it's the same with public transportation and ethanol fuel. Does that make it profitable? Hell no.

  • Reply TheDarkDrummer43 March 9, 2013 at 2:20 am

    Your immune system isn't born knowing what to defend from and how. It learns just like your brain does, using T cells. That is where vaccines come in.

  • Reply Jack March 9, 2013 at 2:24 am

    You should probably read more about the immune system and how immunity DEVELOPS before you make stupid comments.

  • Reply amcgreagor March 9, 2013 at 3:40 am

    Why don't you go expose yourself to some smallpox or polio and see how well you fare. As for diseases like measles, mumps and rubella, they might have relatively low mortality, but the symptoms are certainly worse than the discomfort and cost of their vaccines.

  • Reply DurexDurpaneu2 March 9, 2013 at 3:45 am

    eat shit and die religion!

  • Reply TheaDragonSpirit March 9, 2013 at 3:53 am

    Oh guess they make it for free then and all the materials are free too… and they don't make billions of pounds from it. Guess that's all bull shit and everything is free. I didn't realise.

  • Reply Spectastic March 9, 2013 at 4:28 am

    do you even know what a subsidy is? idiot.

  • Reply TheaDragonSpirit March 9, 2013 at 4:44 am

    Do you even know that people profit off them, people in big pharma hire people, pay people, and make a profit. If they didn't make a profit they would not be doing it I guarantee it. They would be telling people to go on a plant based diet.

  • Reply DeadringerFRED March 9, 2013 at 4:58 am

    Ebola, HIV, Lymes……I'd say they all came from Plum Island so good luck with the vaccines !

  • Reply DiRiN March 9, 2013 at 5:46 am

    The flu changes at such a drastic rate that the vaccine you are getting is too old, and will only work on the previous strain that was rampant 1 year ago. Vaccines are too late to stop a virus because of the rate of mutation. there are plenty of studies done outside the US that prove vaccinations for Flu do not work. it's explained in the first 2 mins of this video. 🙂

  • Reply Jack March 9, 2013 at 5:46 am

    You are just as bad as the people preaching and telling others that they are going to hell. Shut up if you can't be civil.

  • Reply Spartucus101 March 9, 2013 at 6:06 am

    Argueing with a crazy person again? shame shame you know better.

  • Reply Spectastic March 9, 2013 at 6:16 am

    you realize the difference between vaccine research and pharmaceutical companies, right??? we're talking about viruses. Viruses mutate, especially the flu virus. If you make a vaccine that turns out to not work as well as it should, that's a one way ticket to bankruptcy. This is the sort of risk pharmaceutical companies don't want to be associated with. That's not even the real problem. You can't convince people to buy vaccines for more than it takes to make them. How can anyone not see this?

  • Reply Frozen Eggplant March 9, 2013 at 8:05 am

    People have the right to choose not to take them, it's called natural selection.

  • Reply unamaxify March 9, 2013 at 10:14 am

    "the anti vaccine crowed" i.e.: New age idiots
    when i come to think about it stupidity kinda is like a virus it constantly mutates into new stains

  • Reply S Nance March 9, 2013 at 10:35 am

    Unfortunately, if there are few enough of them, Herd Immunity will protect them along with everyone else. If there are too many of them, the rest of us will get hit too, as vaccines are not 100% effective.

  • Reply frank aleman March 9, 2013 at 1:28 pm

    @theryman73 that's not what natural selection is ..

  • Reply duane1234561 March 9, 2013 at 2:07 pm

    Correct! Stupidity is an amazing thing… i feel sorry for the children of the moronic anti vacination groups

  • Reply Enegy Touch March 9, 2013 at 4:24 pm

    thank you very much for sharing it was extremely informative 🙂

  • Reply Enegy Touch March 9, 2013 at 4:28 pm

    I see a lot of people complaining that big pharmacies aren't doing anything about the problem.. and yet I don't see any of them contributing money 2 private research universities or organizations.. they all just want to sit back and let somebody else pay for it.

  • Reply TheaDragonSpirit March 9, 2013 at 4:57 pm

    I wonder how we survived for millions of years till now with out vaccines. Dam guess are body never worked out these viruses mutate. And never worked out how to control mutation it's self. Guess our bodies are stupid as fuck. Why am I not dead… I guess oh because my body has a immune system and when I am super healthy it fights off viruses all on it's own. Wow, who would of known. In the past most people where unhygienic and lived in factory farm like conditions. Dark dingy houses.

  • Reply TheaDragonSpirit March 9, 2013 at 5:01 pm

    Second look at any Victorian grave yard rich or poor. Before vaccines people died around 70 to 90 on average. Most people didn't die young in them days unless they had an strong case of malnutrition and there bodies failed them. All diseases that kill people is due to old age, and immune system failing, or people being unhygienic, possible radiation if they lived near high levels of natural radiation.

    Of course they make money from vaccines or there would be none. The government pays for them.

  • Reply zac lee March 9, 2013 at 8:21 pm

    who else got that chicken pellet reference? haha

  • Reply Spectastic March 9, 2013 at 8:44 pm

    ever heard of the 1918 pandemic? that was also mentioned in the video. also go read a book and learn to spell right you dumb Brit. You're disgracing your own fucking country.

  • Reply Spectastic March 10, 2013 at 12:09 am

    congrats, you can read a fucking biology textbook. I've done actual research with vaccines, and hence know the difference between pharmaceuticals and vaccine research. It makes me laugh that someone as stupid as you has the audacity to claim that you know "all about" vaccines, and the human body. You don't know shit. You're just a little teenager on your high horse because you think school teaches you everything there is to know.

  • Reply TheaDragonSpirit March 10, 2013 at 1:16 am

    Actually school teaches you feck all. I learned more on the internet than at school, par maths and some science.

    Tell me how do they use eggs to make vaccines?

    Second virtually all licensed vaccines in the United States are produced by just a handful of pharmaceutical companies: GlaxoSmithKline, Merck, Novartis, Sanofi Pasteur, and Wyeth.

    Guess they do it for free and get no subsidizes off the government to pay for these vaccines. I must of missed that bit. Maybe they donate the money…

  • Reply DiRiN March 10, 2013 at 3:48 am

    Bee Venom has been proven to break down HIV cell lining to allow the immune system to destroy it.

  • Reply Dylan Williams March 10, 2013 at 6:24 am

    I'm sure the human immune system was incredibly effective against Small Pox.

  • Reply Spectastic March 10, 2013 at 6:47 am

    you just shot down your own argument kid. there's a good reason why there is only a handful of pharmaceutical companies that want to deal with vaccines. That brings us back to the original point of this stupid fucking argument… IT DOESN'T MAKE MONEY. Keep reading form the internet, I give up. I don't care anymore.

  • Reply 為さねば成らぬナサニエル(nasa) March 10, 2013 at 8:59 am

    Some people have natural HIV immunity…
    Why did he say that nobody has natural immunity?..

  • Reply altairx26 March 10, 2013 at 4:24 pm

    Plague inc.

  • Reply Kamizushi Akinari March 10, 2013 at 9:34 pm

    The problem is that unfortunately, vaccines aren't 100% effective. There are always a few people who got the vaccine but who's body didn't manage to generate effective antibodies. If everyone were vaccinated they would still be protected because of heard immunity (which is when there are not enough enough vulnerable people around to spread a virus in a population) but anti-vaxers are preventing it. You won't know if you among the unlucky until an infected antivaxer cough in your face.

  • Reply Kamizushi Akinari March 10, 2013 at 9:40 pm

    One of the central principles of toxicology without which it doesn't make any sense: the dose makes the poison. Did you know there is uranium in the air? Did you know that a high dose of vitamin C can kill you? Perhaps you should stop eating veggies and even eating.

  • Reply Kamizushi Akinari March 10, 2013 at 9:45 pm

    The antivax movement is led by altmed quacks. You think homeopaths don't make money?

    Big Pharma makes money so we should all just get sick and die instead? Is that your argument?

  • Reply Kamizushi Akinari March 10, 2013 at 9:46 pm

    Proven you say? Give me the paper's name, year of publication, the authors and the name of the journal who reviewed it.

  • Reply TheaDragonSpirit March 10, 2013 at 10:24 pm

    My argument is that Big Pharma isn't in it to make people healthy, there in it to make money. That is there primary goal and they can only do that if people are sick. Like the people who make computer viruses are the same people who make anti viruses. You get my drift. They make no money by giving out free anti virus.

    So the best way people can be healthy is by eating the freshest food from nature, not from a lab or GMO crop. From nature. Our bodies eventually over come diseases not from birth.

  • Reply Kamizushi Akinari March 10, 2013 at 10:41 pm

    "Big Pharma" isn't a person man. The pharmaceutic industry hire millions of people many of which are directly involved in research. If you think all these people are into a big conspiracy to make you sick and none of them are speaking out you have no idea how the human mind work.

    The "natural" life expectancy for humans without technologies is about 20-30 years, most people dying from starvation or diseases while they are still infants. More or less none of the food you eat comes from nature.

  • Reply TheaDragonSpirit March 10, 2013 at 11:49 pm

    A few person own the companies I said. Those few people make a shit load of money. Just because most the people in this industries are pawns doesn't mean the ones who have the most shares don't make a shit load of money. You're naive if you think otherwise. This video explains: watch?v=QPKKQnijnsM

  • Reply Kamizushi Akinari March 11, 2013 at 12:45 am

    Yes I know that wealth distribution in USA (and in the world in general) is unequal at the extreme. No what does it have to do with our conversation?

  • Reply inchaverde311 March 11, 2013 at 11:01 am

    wtf is wrong with you ?

  • Reply IAm March 11, 2013 at 12:01 pm

    You clearly have no idea of what money is and how it's made.

  • Reply Vivek M March 11, 2013 at 1:27 pm

    Why the heck are people like you here. if you aren't watching the video? If you did watch the video, you would understand why people need vaccines..

  • Reply FahShizzle March 11, 2013 at 4:15 pm

    But if we cure the flu.. Wont a stronger version of the flu evolve to become immune to the vaccine?

  • Reply Spectastic March 11, 2013 at 4:16 pm

    it's called sarcasm, genius.

  • Reply pokeman5000 March 12, 2013 at 5:57 am

    I got an idea, don't fuck loose women and wash your god damn hands…boom problem solved

  • Reply Cartman March 12, 2013 at 3:42 pm

    People shouldn't have the option (of course that also means it should be free), if everyone would take vaccines the sickness that vaccine is for would be eradicated

  • Reply Cartman March 12, 2013 at 3:48 pm

    moron

  • Reply Arthur March 13, 2013 at 3:51 pm

    Considering that the average human has about 30 trillion blood cells in his or her body, that would be quite an unrealistic future.

  • Reply AuburnLiathe March 13, 2013 at 10:08 pm

    CDC estimated that only 8.5% of all pneumonia and influenza deaths and only 2.1% of all respiratory and circulatory deaths were influenza-related, and that is probably off because physicians have to put on the Death Cert. cause of death was Influenza and that is sometimes hard to narrow down.

  • Reply Lorenzo Ruberti March 14, 2013 at 2:50 am

    I really find the things that i do understand interesting, but i'm lacking biological knowledge. Can anyone recomand a book or information source about basic fundamentals on stuff like this? Or is this information for high educated people only?

  • Reply DiRiN March 14, 2013 at 4:12 am

    It's a pretty fucking easy google mate. "HIV Bee Venom." Here you go lazy. Nanoparticles loaded with bee venom kill HIV. Hood JL, Jallouck AP, Campbell N, Ratner L, Wickline SA. Cytolytic nanoparticles attenuate HIV-1 infectivity. Antiviral Therapy. Vol. 19: 95 – 103. 2013

  • Reply Kamizushi Akinari March 14, 2013 at 12:52 pm

    Not quite as exiting as your initial comment might have suggested. The article you have cited is a proof of concept for an antiviral. Demonstrating that a virus grows slower in TZM-bl reporter cell line when exposed to melittin is light years away from finding a cure. At best, it might become one of a dozen of other antivirals already used to help HIV patients. Most likely its effectiveness will be disproved with further testing like hundreds of other potential antivirals before.

  • Reply AmadeosWolfgang March 14, 2013 at 8:30 pm

    Vaccines are there to stimulate your immune system to have the body work to save itself later. That is the use of a vaccine.

  • Reply princeofexcess March 15, 2013 at 2:01 am

    the problem is with group immunities. Above certain percent whole population is immune below certain percent people are at risk and the virus mutates so even people that have the vaccine can get it now. Also smart individuals can also be misinformed because of lack of education.

  • Reply DiRiN March 15, 2013 at 8:00 am

    You obviously didnt fucking further the research based off that article. They CURED a child of HIV with Bee Venom. and now 14 more people. Google this! More HIV 'cured': first a baby, now 14 adults 21:00 14 March 2013 by Andy Coghlan Newscientist[dot]com

  • Reply jtaylor4321 March 15, 2013 at 5:32 pm

    Should a parent have the right to inflict the possibility of polio, diptheria, etc. on their children? Natural selection for infants… a cheery thought.

  • Reply Frozen Eggplant March 16, 2013 at 1:30 am

    Nature is mean.

  • Reply jtaylor4321 March 17, 2013 at 2:42 am

    This is a question of policy and ethics. Should the state have nothing to say about parents endanger their children? Or to put it another way, who speaks for the children in this decision?

  • Reply jtaylor4321 March 17, 2013 at 2:43 am

    endangering*

  • Reply Kamizushi Akinari March 17, 2013 at 10:22 pm

    From the article you just referred me to makes no mention of bee venom, says:"The 14 adults still have traces of HIV in their blood" In other words, they are still infected, and "On average, the 14 adults have been off medication for seven years" while the proof-of-concept article you have cited me earlier has been published on 2012 Sep 6.

  • Reply Thezuule March 19, 2013 at 1:38 pm

    The original virus is lethal to though, do you suggest we just sit back and watch people die? That won't stop the evolution of these viruses just so know.

  • Reply Thezuule March 19, 2013 at 1:39 pm

    Tell that to the thousands of students investing their lives into nanotechnology….

  • Reply deekidred1 March 21, 2013 at 6:13 am

    with pharmacological companies this going to be a uphill fight

  • Reply Dan Powell March 24, 2013 at 2:27 pm

    Since all aquatic birds, according to the video, have all of the known flu viruses. Could we study bird blood and maybe find all the flu strains?

  • Reply kamyar kiazad March 28, 2013 at 10:07 am

    you're also born with legs so you dont need a car, eyes so you dont need glasses, skin so you dont need clothes, feet so you dont need shoes.. in fact theres plenty of trees that will provide shelter you dont even need a house… some people really are stupid these days

  • Reply SailorMoonAMV April 23, 2013 at 8:04 pm

    Vaccines give you part of the virus that so that your immune system can build up antibodies and then if it comes into contact with the virus in the future will recognize it and defend itself. If no vaccine is given, it might not make up enough antibodies to fight the virus. So yes, you do need vaccines

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  • Reply mudddkipz May 14, 2013 at 3:47 pm

    well they're definitely not doing it for financial gain, since vaccines are not at all a profitable business. And viruses mutate at a very fast rate whether or not we try to keep them from killing us.

  • Reply mudddkipz May 14, 2013 at 3:53 pm

    I don't think you understand that vaccines don't make money. They are expensive to produce, have to not charge very little so that they are available to more people, and many people don't ever bother to get vaccinated so there is always far more vaccine than demand. Vaccines are not a profitable business.

  • Reply mudddkipz May 14, 2013 at 3:54 pm

    sorry I meant they have to not charge very much

  • Reply mudddkipz May 14, 2013 at 4:15 pm

    I don't understand your question. What is the danger parents are putting their children in? And in what way are they not being spoken for?

  • Reply 37VQV June 2, 2013 at 4:02 pm

    We have an army guess we dont need the CIA.

    Vaccine is the CIA of the immune system, it gives us prior intel so we do not have to fight blind.

  • Reply 37VQV June 2, 2013 at 4:04 pm

    People complain that pharmaceutical companies want to offer on going treatments instead of cure/preventions to disease because ongoing treatment is more profitable but when they do offer a preventative measure to a disease these idiots try to shit on them.

  • Reply Ryan Truther July 22, 2013 at 5:30 am

    HIV diagnostic tests test for antibodies. Vaccines cause your body to create antibodies. So if there was an HIV vaccine, it would do nothing but set off an HIV test. This is how ridiculous all this HIV vaccine talk is. Not to mention the inaccurate tests.

  • Reply Gyöngyvér Györffy November 18, 2013 at 1:28 am

    This is extremely painful for anyone who studied just a little bit of immunology.
    HIV attacks the T-helper cells, without proper T-helper reaction there is no B-cell reaction and no antibodies. I had to stop after 7 minutes, I could not stand the incorrect simplifications and all of them were read out from a screen.Who wrote it????

  • Reply Denfer Gon February 22, 2015 at 2:02 am

    It's 2015 and still ders no cure for it

  • Reply Gabe Clark February 19, 2016 at 10:55 am

    Takes to long to give an answer

  • Reply mario figueroa February 19, 2017 at 4:04 pm

    cant stop thinking about bill gates video saying that with vaccines they will tace care of global warming by depopulation!!now this guy

  • Reply Isaac Mireles September 4, 2017 at 5:49 pm

    MALARIA CAN BE CURE IN 24 HOURS WITH MMS….

  • Reply Psalm 23 October 6, 2017 at 8:09 am

    Vaccines are for population control. The numbers of so-called mental disorders, autism, and other health related issues have gone up ever since introducing vaccines. Bill Gates confessed vaccines effectively reduce the population.

  • Reply Sunglass Shinpan June 11, 2018 at 4:22 am

    FLU VAXES ARE DEATH!

  • Reply John Staggs August 10, 2018 at 12:07 am

    Rh Negative blood types are Elite Controllers. Yes, we aren’t immune from requiring the virus. There has never been a human being documented as elite controllers who was Rh Positive.

  • Reply joe caterman March 2, 2019 at 8:47 pm

    "cures are bad business". Get business out of medicine or have it heavily controlled. Have it state funded with high rewards for teams of colleagues who discover.

  • Reply Pintu Saha May 25, 2019 at 1:44 pm

    medical scientists ek hiv virus ka fainal vaccine bana nhi paya 38 y2 hocho ka

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