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Child Circumcision: An Elephant in the Hospital

August 25, 2019

I am Ryan, a friend of Lizzie’s. I do bio-physics research
at Georgetown University, and I also coordinate two non-profits
that deal mostly with supporting families and supporting people in their relationships. Here is my family. So my mission in life basically
is to help people get along, and towards that end,
I do a lot of workshops with families and I also help families
understand medical questions. So I am here to talk with you about circumcision, I am calling it an “Elephant in the Hospital” because it is this huge thing that happens
as far as I see in our culture but we have very little discourse about it. It is performed between 500,000 and 1,000,000
million times each year in the U.S., almost entirely on infants within
the first three days of life and it is completely unnecessary;
and I believe, based on my research, entirely harmful to children. So what we are going to run through,
as quickly as I can, is just a discussion what that process is like
from the child’s point of view, what effects it has on adult survivors, how we get parents to agree to it
(what understanding parents have), and how we get practitioners to perform it. So before we do that, I actually just want
to get a chance to see what our room is like so we can see each other; therefore, I will ask a few questions
and we’re gonna use this technology for room assessment that goes back to a before clickers.
I am going to ask you, if you are willing, to point in the direction as I ask you about each thing, from beneficial, this wall is the beneficial wall, neutral is the ceiling,
and harmful is the wall over there. For Example, what do you think of foot binding? I mean you are anthropologists,
most of you have heard of foot binding. Where do you think it goes on the … okay we have everyone who chose to respond,
thinks it is harmful. Good I am pleased with that response. Female Genital Cutting how many people have heard of that? Okay great, we have got universally harmful. Okay what about say we were going
to do prophylactic breast bud removal, say we wanted to stop breast cancer and save hundreds of thousands of women’s lives per year, and say we just cut all babies’ breast buds off? Beneficial? Harmful? Neutral? Okay some neutral and some harmful. Okay. And what about cutting off non-essential tissue from a child, say we just cut off all children’s ear lobes because we thought they were an inconvenience,
a pain or they looked ugly? Okay, we have got harmful. So what about Circumcision? What is our starting point? We have got every response, that’s great; okay, so we have a diverse audience. Now a couple of other questions just to see who we are. Who here thinks that they have a foreskin, anyone? Who here believes that they have a foreskin, which is that part they remove during circumcision, right? Okay, so that is a trick question. Men and women, males and females, are both born with foreskins, the foreskin is just a name for a part of the clitoris or penis, and so probably most of the women here have one and perhaps some of the males also. Who here comes from a culture where female genital cutting is a social norm? No one, okay. Who here comes from a culture where male genital cutting is a social norm? Okay, all of us pretty much, that I can see, okay. And who knows someone who was genitally altered as a child it could be you, it could be a friend it could be your parents, or child? Mostly (all)! Great, so all of that is just to illustrate how it’s something that has
touched all of our lives in some way. So I am arguing that it is this big thing and that we don’t talk about it a lot. So I have to sort of explain why I think that. So I believe that the discourse that we have in our culture about circumcision is one that is used to conceal what the nature of the process is. So you may have heard things like “well, you know,
it makes the penis cleaner” and things like that. You may have heard things like “everyone does it,” “I am circumcised, I am fine,” “It is just a little snip” or “it removes a useless flap of skin,” this sort of trivializing language. Well, we have heard all of these things. What I am going to ask you to do is set all that aside, all of that mass of experience in your mind, and to try to come at it from a fresh angle where these sort of illogical arguments of support for it are not part of your way of thinking. I am going to propose that circumcision is this cyclical process in our culture where we do it to children, they grow up to become adult survivors, some of those people become parents, and practitioners engage them in order to perform this surgery on their children, which unlike any other surgery I am aware of in U.S. hospitals, it removes a healthy and unique organ part (actually with the exception of inter-sex genital modification, which bears a lot of resemblance to it by the way). It removes a healthy part of the body. It is not used as a treatment. Doctors don’t think they are treating the children; they know it is a social surgery they are performing. It has significant complications. It is performed on minors who cannot give their consent. It is illegal, it is actually a federal felony to perform on girls, but it is actually encouraged and performed on boys. It results in life long function loss, and the tissue is then used commercially. So just a little context piece. I hear you, believe me, and I will show you evidence of that. I won’t make such a radical claim without proving it. So let’s just finish our context piece
with both the geography and the history. So this is a map of the world sort of. As you can see green countries represent places where
genital cutting of boys is not practiced, generally speaking. The small, the few yellow countries up in the northern regions are places where it is becoming legally questioned. Circumcision is now rare in Canada, England, and Australia where it used to be practiced on babies also, but stopped. In fact, in England, in the 1950’s there was an article published showing it killed a number of children a year, about 14 a year, so they stopped the practice there. And the other places, besides the United States where it is done on babies, in the other regions, most of the time, it is done on adolescents in Sub-Saharan Africa and in Sunni Islamic cultures. Now how did we get here? It has become a medical practice rather than a
tribal practice or a cultural practice. And that came about in the late 1800’s when people had not the germ theory of disease, but the nervous excitation theory of disease. And people had the Victorian morality, so people see what they expect to see a lot of the time. So you can find a lot of published medical literature
showing that circumcision cured things such as, paralysis, epilepsy, hip joint disease, and all sorts of problems that today seem very unlikely for the process to have cured. And people really thought that actually harming,
the intention was to harm the genitals of the children. And they thought that it would help in the long term because it would prevent them from
having so much sexual excitation that being, in the Victorian model, the most dangerous
type of excitation that one could have. So, uhm, oops, I should have given you a caveat, my apologies… There are going to be some graphic slides here, and I certainly welcome you turn away at any point
if you don’t feel comfortable about looking at what you see. And I will try to more often try to give you a warning
when they are about to come up. I would also mention actually another caveat: I am going to use language differently. I am going to switch now to mostly
calling circumcision “genital cutting” because I think that is more of a neutral term, it’s a more accurate or descriptive term. I think “circumcision” euphemistically embeds
our assumption that it is a fine thing. And the term uncircumcised
I am going to replace with the term “intact”, because likewise the term “uncircumcised”
gives the sense that circumcision is the norm and that those who are not circumcised are
simply “not yet” circumcised. And to illustrate that it would be kind of weird
if we called women who had breasts”un-mastectomised” right that would be uncomfortable, and, likewise, I hope to sensitize us to the discomfort
of calling “intact” “uncircumcised”. So the next few slides will have some
less-comfortable things to see, and, again, you are welcome to turn away if you want. So this is the section on the Child. The procedure for the child, we will
run through what the procedure looks like. That’s probably the most graphic section,
along with the complications, and what I want you to think about is, it is often times talked about from the parents’
perspective,”parents have the right to choose”. I want you to question that discourse and think
about what the child’s point of view is. Who owns the child’s body? What rights do they have? Why are we doing it to boys and not girls? What does that say about our views on gender, and so on? So, this slide shows three different representations
of people in the genital cutting process. The top left is a young girl being circumcised in her cultural scenario. The top right is a young boy being
circumcised in his cultural scenario. And the bottom right is an
infant boy in a hospital. Now what I want you to look at is their faces. Just look at their faces because I am asking you to think about their experiences. To me it looks like they are having a very similar experience. And yet in our culture, where I think of us as being kind of imperialist we’re very ready to point the finger and say, Oh these terrible things these people do in these other
countries where they practice female genital cutting.” yet we’re silent about the male genital cutting that occurs to children under the same conditions of hygiene and the same death rates in those countries; and we promote doing it to boys in our country. So how do we do a circumcision? The next bits are going to be the most graphic. This is a circumcision restraint; they strap the baby down into it, and then they proceed with the procedure, which I am going to show you a short video of. This is going to include sound if I hooked it up correctly. and, again, you are welcome to not look;
I find this uncomfortable. Okay, so I want to encourage you to take a deep breath if you have been having trouble breathing
as I have during that. Some things I think to notice is the sort of calm detachment of the physician’s voice. So the physician is not at all distressed by this. And the way the baby is crying. I hear the baby’s crying as the way I hear babies cry when they are under extreme duress, not you know, “I am hungry.” So beyond the pain of the procedure itself and the pain of the many days it takes to heal, there are a number of complications that a
circumcision procedure puts a child at risk for. You can sort of divide them into two categories. Surgical complications, which go from the more minor, you know everyone has a scar that has been circumcised. A lot of men don’t actually know that
the ring around their penis is a circumcision scar, or they learn it when they hear me talk. But that always happens. But a number of other complications can be problematic that don’t occur all the time, like penile adhesions, when the healing process goes awry and two parts of the penis that weren’t supposed
to be connected link together. Then these panels show in top left (A) (A) that’s called a fistula, so its like a doctor induced hypospadias, the black line going down is a probe that’s
entering the meatus, the opening of the urethra and exiting out the additional hole that the physician has caused. (B) Top Right is a nearly amputated head of the penis. (C) Bottom Left so much skin of the penis has been removed (C) that the child’s corpus cavernosa and head of the penis
are lodged down inside the scrotum, and in (D) Bottom Right the penis was accidentally amputated entirely. There are also a number of post-operative complications ranging from difficulty in breast feeding, which is important because developing the ability to breast feed is essential for infants. Bleeding, which is another sort of minimizing term, you see that on consent forms,
you know like”Oh, bleeding”, well it turns out an infant only has
about 12 ounces of blood so bleeding a couple of ounces
might cause that child to die or require a blood transfusion. Increase in pain response. Infection, which is also very serious for a newborn. Meatitus, which is an irritation of the opening. That also can be problematic because if it gets bad enough the child will not be able to pee, and that
would require the child to have catheterization. Necrosis and even permanent loss of the penis, or death. I have talked with a pediatric urologist. He is the type of person who gets the complications
to deal with. He said that over a two-year period he had
more than 275 children to treat, almost half who required surgery, so they were subjected to an additional surgery in attempt to correct whatever damage happened. Okay, that’s most of the graphic stuff, except for in the next few slides we will see
pictures of the actual anatomy of adults, so you are also welcome to turn your heads aside for that. How many people have seen a penis that was intact? Either your own or a friends, you know? Okay, if you haven’t yet, see if you
can find someone who is willing to show you. I have talked to hundreds of men, both men who have been circumcised
and men who have not been circumcised. I hear a lot of men who have been circumcised feel upset about that. They are aware or have become aware
that something has been taken away from them, and that their bodies were subjected
to something without their choice. I also hear parents talk about
their regret from the procedure. So what is the foreskin? The foreskin is this sort of socially constructed thing. It’s really just part of the penis, but now that we have cut it off,
we have to give it a separate name. In fact, a lot of potential complications lists
that you get on your informed consent form say that one of the risks is that you might injure the penis. So we have constructed a reality in which
cutting of the penis is not injuring it; it is if you then cut part that you intended to leave
that it is an injury. So I want to show you what the foreskin is. I want to spend some time on that. The foreskin in the adult male,
the part that would have been removed, is about 12 to 15 square inches, it is about the size of a 3″ x 5″ index card. It is the most erogenous part of the human male. It contains 10 to 20 thousand fine touch nerve endings. And it also makes the penis shaft skin motile. So it is the difference, you know when
you are having sexual intercourse or some kind of interaction, it is the difference between this kind of interaction or something if you can image a part
of your body where the skin moves around nicely (My cheeks are floppy, so I can do that, you know). And that is actually a significant thing because there is another kind of nerve
that is called a stretch receptor that gets stimulated in that motion, and it is the male’s contribution
to mechanical lubrication during intercourse, either male-male or male-female. The foreskin can be broken down into a couple of specialized areas: the frenulum is this sort of… my hand isn’t really long enough but… It is this fanning out region here. and there is the ridged band below it,
that is were most of the nerves land. and the dartos muscle is a cutaneous muscle that allows the foreskin to respond to cold or fear by surrounding the penis and pulling it in towards the body. In 2007, the first research was done ever to attempt to assess where the penis is sensitive. So they took a group of males who were intact and a group of men who were circumcised. What you see on this color graph here is that the most sensitive regions are that maroon color and the second most sensitive regions are the purplish color. If we compare that to a circumcised penis what you see is that we have removed
most of the most sensitive areas and left just this region around the scar
and the remainder of the frenulum is really where most circumcised men are sensitive. Therefore, you can compare them this way, but you don’t have to believe me
if you can find a friend or two maybe one who is circumcised and one who is not, or maybe yourself, you can look and can see where
the sensitivity actually lies. For most men it is in this region of the frenulum or the scar remnant. So just to get you a real picture, what John here has done,
he’s a photographer, he has taken a person with a foreskin and drawn these lines, so you can see
how much tissue it is as it retracts. The other difference I want you to note is that the inside what it does it generally surrounds the penis, so it in a sense it invaginates it, it gives it an enclosure, and it keeps it moist. So, if you compare that with the circumcised penis, the tissue looks softer, moister and warmer, in addition to there being a lot more of it, and it doesn’t have the scar. Those arrows there are pointing to the scar, so you can see where that is. I did want to invite, if you have any questions, it is okay to ask me as we go along because I am giving a lot of information. Okay, then, jumping along to the parent. Like I said I have talked with hundreds of parents also especially doing all this work I do with parents, I have talked with many who
when they receive their child back, that is the moment at which
they understand what they had signed up for. So there is a problem with informed consent both that the information is lacking and that parents are sometimes
asked about it at an inconvenient moment, such as when they are in labor, you know. And they are also asked about it in this values neutral way. Like, would you like a pillow?
Would you like a cup of tea? Would you like your child circumcised? It carries the same sort of tone, you know, and I am concerned about that. So I view us as having this sort of
manufacturing pseudo informed consent process Where parents need to trust physicians — The physicians are supposedly the ones bringing in the discipline of medicine. So they come in, but they are given
this information that is very cursory, it lacks real information about the complications,
those are trivialized, the foreskin functions are completely omitted, it’s not mentioned that it is actually a sexual organ, and the ethical questions of making decisions
about your children’s bodies are omitted, and there is also this undeclared conflict of interest there is really a lot of commercial use of the tissue. So the other thing parents don’t know
is that it is painful for a week or longer afterwards. So the baby is not only in pain during the process, but the wound has to heal, it is a wound on the penis, and babies are very sensitive to pain. How many people have gotten to play with a baby, you know you
had a friend with a baby or you have had a baby a few days old? They are very fragile beings. So what we have done is we’ve put this wound on this child, and now this new parent who is dealing with the healing process and the process of figuring out what it is like to have this new baby; this new parent also has this added complications
of having to watch for signs of infection, of having to keep changing the bandage, and having
the baby be more upset than he normally would have been. In comparison, for the child who is not circumcised, all you have to do is well, almost nothing. In fact, you don’t even wash the penis. Just like you wouldn’t was a baby’s vagina with soap, you just rinse it. You don’t retract it; it becomes retractable on its own. You have a baby with fewer health problems,
and a child who is more content. Now, I promised you that I would show
that we actually do use the foreskin tissue. We use it for three things that I have been able to find. We use it for research, there are a large number of products
you can buy from Invitrogen which is actually a company from which
I buy other things that don’t contain foreskin cells from for my bio-physics research. So there are some of the products they sell
using neo-natal foreskins, you can look it up yourselves. At a hospital you can get “magic skin treatment” which is cultured, grown foreskin tissue, and if you are very wealthy you can buy cosmetics that are also derived from foreskin tissue. Oh, the cosmetics? Wait, say louder? Audience member,
“why would people want to use them on their skin?” Oh, people think that
they will make them less wrinkly. The idea is that baby cells, you know they are young, they do their job well,
you know… And, if you are disturbed by that, I am glad because I would like us to be disturbed by that. So let’s hear from an obstetrician
how they frame these sorts of things. This is Lisa Masterson being interviewed
on the Craig Ferguson Late, Late Show. LISA,” Yeah, and again
you know what that is a personal choice and as an Obstetrician,
I talk to my patients a lot about this. And really there’s a lot of health benefits
and there are some risk benefits, but it is really a social procedure. So you really have to decide,
do you want your son to look like you? You know it is a cultural thing it is a social thing, And there are some health benefits,
more for the lady than the man but as far as decreasing STDs and passing on to ah
you know other women HPV, which can cause cervical cancer, so decreasing STDs and cancer all that good stuff.” CRAIG,”But couldn’t you achieve the same effect
by washing your pee pee on a regular basis?” LISA,”You absolutely could.” CRAIG,”So we’re talking,
You can have this chopped off, or you can wash it, your call?” LISA,”Exactly.” CRAIG,
“That’s a tough choice there Doctor … I dunno!” So obviously I appreciate Craig’s point of view there. He is from Scotland,
where they coincidentally don’t do this to children. And think about her discourse, she’s saying you have to choose as a parent, and I want to question that framing of it. Do you have to choose other
body modification options for your child? Like a nose job, or things like that? And, if the idea of doing things to our children
because we want them to look a certain way chills you, I am glad because I want it to chill us. I want us to wonder why are we so busy making our children look like
what we think boys and girls should look like? In this case, we have this idea that boys
should look a certain way in their genitals. Okay, so the last section is,
how do we get practitioners doing this? So I have a few quotes
from practitioners who stopped doing it, like Marilynn Milos, a nurse who, after seeing it,
refused to assist with them and was fired for telling parents
they don’t need to do it. Michelle Storms, who is a very well known Obstetrician
[sic, she is a Family Medicine Practitioner] who said she was ridiculed and patronized
after stopping them in 1988. And I am at Georgetown, so I went and talked
to the Head of Obstetrics at Georgetown University Hospital, Obstetricians do most of them, and she says, “Medically it doesn’t make sense” “I don’t even like doing the procedure, but I do it well.” “I have performed thousands of circumcisions.” She was clear that it is a social procedure, she was clear that it doesn’t make sense medically, And she told me in our conversation
that she would not stop doing them. So how do we make physicians into that? Well, first we start by pathologizing a healthy organ. Not only is the foreskin absent
from most U.S. medical and anatomy texts, There is, therefore, no education of the function. It is not viewed as a sexually important organ. Physicians are only taught
how to remove it as a procedure. and they are mistaught care, they are mistaught
this “retract and wash” philosophy, which is problematic because as you can see
down at the bottom, the foreskin when you are born
is usually attached to the head of the penis. What you saw earlier in the circumcision video was the physician running this tool around to break
the foreskin loose so that they could cut it off. It is bonded like that to protect babies from,
well all the sorts of things that babies do, they might have feces or urine in their diaper, they might get scratched up. The foreskin has a protective function
when you are young. Gradually that detaches and the foreskin becomes retractable, but if you forcibly retract it, that tears it up and creates a site for infection, also if you wash with soap
that creates a site for infection. And finally,
we make this misdiagnosis called “phimosis”. There is a true problem called phimosis
when there is scar tissue at the opening of the foreskin, so it can’t retract and there are treatments for it use steroidal cream
to help the scar tissue soften. But when we think that a baby who is three weeks old because you can’t pull the foreskin back without
making the baby scream, that’s wrong. It is actually meant to be attached that way,
it grew that way and it will become retractable on its own. So, why do we do the circumcisions? Well if you look at why parents say they choose
the number one reason is appearance. They want their child to look like the other children
they’ll see or they want them to look like their Dad. They think it looks better,
or they think it is easier to keep clean. And I believe it is the solicitation by physicians
that reinforces or validates the choice to do this. The fact that physicians do it
makes it look like a reasonable thing. Physicians may also give several reasons
to collude with this idea, they may say it reduces penile cancer rates. That it reduces urinary tract infections (UTIs), Cervical Cancer rates in female partners
that your child might have when they grow up. And female to male HIV transmission rate reduction is sort of the newest reason. So as I showed you in the beginning,
we have this sort of cultural baggage a lot of reasons why we used to do circumcisions
that don’t make sense in today’s cultural setting, so we have had to come up with a posteriori reasons
in order to feel more comfortable with what we are doing. But I’ll analyze those in more depth. Besides the social critique that I think they are reasons
we made up after the fact, in order to feel comfortable with it. If we think about them carefully, appearance
and cleanliness, the number one reason that circumcision is done. Well that argument is used to support both
male and female genital cutting in every culture that I am aware of
that either of those practices occurs in. And they are just made up arguments, I mean, how can you say that something is cleaner
if you do one thing to it or another? Penile Cancer, the American Cancer Society says no,
it won’t protect you from penile cancer. It is also irrelevant; the rate is 1 in 100,000. More people may die from circumcision than penile cancer. Urinary tract infections, well that was based on a big study in 1986, done by a fellow, I kid you not, his name was Wiswell. And the problem was his instructions
caused urinary tract infections, selectively in subjects with foreskins because he told the parents to forcibly
retract the foreskin and wash with soap. So that is just like if you had a girl
and you forcibly douched her, you know a little girl, you would get
a higher rate of yeast and urinary tract infections because you have messed up
the colonies of protective bacteria. Cervical cancer in female partners, Well, first of all, a surgical preventive measure on an infant for a potential female partner when they grow up. I mean, how do we know this person
is not going to be a monk or gay? And they could do it themselves later. Also, cervical cancer is cause by human papilloma virus (HPV). Probably most of you guys know that because you
learned that in Sex Ed, right? Well the same authors went back and looked
at the husbands and wives in that study and they had different strains of HPV. So I don’t know if there was
under-the-table non-monogamy or what. But that throws the results
of that study totally into question because the husbands were not carrying the HPV
strains that gave the women the cervical cancer. Gesundheit. Okay, so the last one is circumcision
as an HIV preventative. Okay, that idea started in the 2000’s mostly. The evidence for it is three randomized control trials. They were performed in Africa, probably because you couldn’t get a
human review board to permit such a study in the U.S. They got volunteer men
who were willing to be circumcised; they randomly circumcised half of them. And they watched to see how quickly they got HIV. They had some problematic methodology
that I will get into later. And their claim was that that reduced
the rate at which men got HIV by 60%. Now the evidence against circumcision
as an HIV preventative are pretty much all the
other studies that have been done. The geographic data, if you look at correlation between
circumcision percentage and HIV rates in populations, it contradicts this conclusion. For example, the United States has the highest HIV rate
of any industrialized nation, and also has the highest circumcision rate
of any industrialized nation. You would expect something different
if circumcision were so protective. So, I’ve got a few minutes left. I am going to quickly
run through what I think was wrong with the study. Again, there were three studies, they took a group of intact men,
circumcised them and watched how quickly they got HIV. The problems were, each time they came
to the clinic they gave them condoms and safe sex counseling. But the circumcised group came
at least twice more because they had to come to get circumcised
and they had to come to get a follow up study. In addition, if you are circumcised, it will take you about four to six weeks
until you are able to have sex again. And the circumcised group was asked
to abstain for six weeks. But they didn’t start the clock
until after waiting for six weeks, they started the clock at the beginning, so the circumcised group had six weeks of protection by being unable to have intercourse. In addition, they used an anti-body test, which you know, if you go to an STD clinic and they use an antibody test,
there is a three-month window. They tell you, you’ve got to wait
until three months after your last exposure if you really want to know if you have HIV. But again, they didn’t start the clock after three months and most the benefit or half the benefit
occurred during those first three months. So those infections occurred prior
to the start of the trial, prior to the randomization and intervention. There were a lot of problems concerning controls, including blood exposure
and receptive anal intercourse. I am also concerned because the authors of that study likened circumcision to an effective vaccine. Now all they are saying is that,
if their results are accurate, which I don’t believe, that it would reduce
your likelihood of getting HIV, you know each time you had sex, by 60%. So, if you have sex enough, you will
et HIV anyway with enough risky behavior. The measles vaccine, if you took that and its boosters,
99% of you become immune to measles. Probably you are actually. So that is what an effective vaccine looks like. Ninety-nine per cent permanent immunity. Not sixty per cent less likelihood
to become infected each time you are exposed. And real human beings think they are immune
to HIV because they have been circumcised in African countries, and I am very concerned about that. But anyway, so to re-cap, I think we have a social bias
toward cutting children, particularly boys. I think that it is very harmful to children. It also hurts survivors. It hurts parents, who really want
the best for their children. And it also hurts practitioners because I believe that medical students
come into school wanting to help people, and they get taught about this procedure
in an out-of-context kind of way. Most of the people I talk to think it is
not their responsibility to do anything about it, including professional organizations
like the American Academy of Pediatrics, the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, the practitioners, you know, because their job is to keep the practitioners looking good. So, if you say something is bad that your practitioners
are doing, that doesn’t look so good. The administrators of the hospital
and the practitioners there don’t want to stand out. The obstetricians don’t even think
the child they are operating on is their patient. The ethics committee of the hospital told me that they are not
the appropriate venue for this concern. And I think all of these organizations
are neglecting parents, children, and us. So I am hopeful
that I have engaged you with some interest and that maybe you will go and tell people about this. Because, if they are not going to take responsibility,
I hope that we will. So tell your friends. I am going to give a link to this slide show to your professor.
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  • Reply Craig King January 29, 2018 at 11:25 pm

    I agree that circumcision is bad, but several of his arguments are outright BS. For one: Children don't have certain rights which is why their parrents run their lives. They can't give conscent because that right falls to the parrents.

  • Reply Lauren Janell January 30, 2018 at 5:37 pm

    No way in Hell will any son of mine be circumcised. I thank everyone who presents evidence proving that circumcision is unnecessary.

  • Reply Christopher OLoughlin January 30, 2018 at 6:24 pm

    There is only 1 thing worse than the cold detachment of the 'physician's before the big cut, and that is, being lied to and warm-and-fuzzied and coo-coo'ed by the nurse before the big event. Go to Stefan Molyneux's channel and play his 'The Truth About Circumcision' and then ask yourself, How would you fell if you were that baby? Utterly betrayed, lied to, and set up to believe, hey, folks don't mean what they say when they say they love you and us as a species are all a bunch of raping, thieving, no good butchers. Before watching this here video and Molyneux's, I always had this sort of thing running in the background, fear of people, anxiety, distrust when offered help. Uh, guess where this came from, "it's not that hard". [No pun intended, sorry.] Mass murders. Dickheads who manipulate the financial systems for their own gain and consider the pensioners whose investments they suck dry, deserving victims. Uh, where you think all this comes from? Yup. We need to stop this literal assault now. I was directed here from stickers on the bus with this YouTube channel. Thank you, and live long and prosper, whoever stuck those on there. You folks have at least one fan, along with you, dear videographer.

  • Reply Lourdes Reymundi February 5, 2018 at 8:59 pm

    I am a mother of a girl and when i saw the circumcision performed and the baby cried i cried! Having a baby i know those were screams of pure pain. Horrible!

  • Reply ReneeB February 7, 2018 at 2:52 pm

    If non circumcision becomes a new trend there will be more teens, more adult men unable to urinate. If the cream were 100% effective another man a doctor (MD) would NEVER cut any part of another man's penis – think about it ! Have it done at hospital. Safer. Cleaner. more years wait more pain/remembrance.

  • Reply Michael Yalcin February 8, 2018 at 12:53 pm

    If somebody can recommend me an activist group that is banding together to make circumcision a human violations crime and seeking justice in national courts I would highly appreciate it.

  • Reply jeremyrainman February 12, 2018 at 8:35 pm

    Remember people…

    As a nation, the United States passed a law banning female genital mutilation within weeks of it becoming a topic of public discussion.

    But that same nation has been cutting the genitals of it's own boys over a hundred years.

    We know that people develop PTSD when they are exposed to trauma they do not know how to accept/deal with, yet we subject infant boys to a brutal procedure and then expect that there will be no consequences.

    But feminists will try to convince you that the world we live in is "male dominated"…

    Nonsense… This western world is dominated by the desires of its women.

    "My Body My Choice, unless you have a penis, then we can just cut you."

  • Reply Erik February 19, 2018 at 12:25 am

    The one thing that unifies jews, muslims and americans.

  • Reply PrincessLila7 March 2, 2018 at 2:32 am

    Glad my babies didn’t go through this 😟

  • Reply Adilia’s Songs And Toys March 13, 2018 at 10:17 pm

    I am so glad to find these groups and posts on Facebook and do my research, thank you, I will not circumsisie my baby!!!

  • Reply ArtistAmandaP March 16, 2018 at 10:45 pm

    Thank you for the lecture. I hope this gets more views.

  • Reply dawson houston March 22, 2018 at 6:55 am

    Could you elaberate more how circumcision can cause necrosis postoperative? Thank you so much!

  • Reply joeblowmha March 24, 2018 at 2:30 am

    OY VEY

  • Reply Liz Mowrey March 28, 2018 at 7:06 pm

    Thank you for bringing awareness about this!

  • Reply Citrus Eel April 1, 2018 at 4:19 am

    Circumcision violates the 5th human right which is no torture

  • Reply Miss Ivvy April 9, 2018 at 1:21 am

    People are crazy, I will never put my newborn through that. I cried hearing that poor baby cry 😢

  • Reply クリスタルきみこ April 9, 2018 at 5:03 pm

    God, it kills me i did this to my oldest son, i really believed i was doing whats best, i had no idea there was so much pain involved. I thought they just snip it off like you would hair or a finger nail. I thought they give the baby pain meds. I was tought by my obgyn that the forskin causes infections and its dirty and needs to be removed so he won't get penis cancer and die. I feel like such a fool now, it just seemed like it was normal and thats what i should do, i really didn't think leaving a boy intact was really an option. 🤦🏽‍♀️

  • Reply Prisoner416 April 11, 2018 at 4:20 am

    I didn't have any choice in the matter as I had it done at a young age. Really, there should be demonstrations outside hospitals. People giving pamphlets out. You know the clinics won't properly inform the parents.

  • Reply E Productions April 19, 2018 at 5:39 am

    Oprah uses facial products made from foreskin, didn't do a damn thing for her

  • Reply Helplessshi April 28, 2018 at 9:46 pm

    I Kept Seeing The Sticker To This Video On My Buses That I Ride So I Thought Oh Why Not Lol 😂😂😂

  • Reply Nunya Bizness May 10, 2018 at 8:45 am

    THANK YOU, Ryan!! For opening their eyes and (hopefully) softening their hardened hearts. Sadly, this cycle of sexual violence and trauma is so often continued because men tend to put so much of their manliness in their penis. If their penis is mutilated, they feel a strong compulsion to mutilate their sons.

  • Reply Gum Shoe May 15, 2018 at 2:00 pm

    So glad we didn’t have our son mutilated

  • Reply Jake May 18, 2018 at 5:13 pm

    this was printed on my dollar bill

  • Reply Lawr xo May 27, 2018 at 1:26 am

    I’m so glad I didn’t do this to my son

  • Reply Nick Sharp May 29, 2018 at 6:09 am

    How are people like me who are circumcised expected to deal with this procedure? One of the most important parts of my body will never work properly because my parents were dumb enough to decide to cut it off? …Why am I even continuing on with my life? I'll never be normal or know the best pleasure one can feel. They ruined my life.

  • Reply C h e s s c a B e n n e t t May 31, 2018 at 7:13 am

    Its so fucking messed up.

  • Reply Alicia Rahn June 12, 2018 at 2:32 pm

    Kept my son whole, before even doing much research I knew it was wrong

  • Reply Ashtree Meadow June 14, 2018 at 12:20 am

    This is such an amazing lecture. I will never, unless it is literally forced upon me or my child and I am unable to stop it, circumcise him or her. Circumcision is evil and wrong. I am so glad you were brave enough to get up there and express your beliefs.

  • Reply AK Honeybee 907 June 14, 2018 at 10:29 am

    I am so glad I chickened out at the last second and refused circumcision for my first child. After I did more research it only confirmed my worst fears. I have not circumcised either of my boys. I would have regretted it forever. It's a horrific thing to do to such tiny people that cannot decide for themselves yet. The way they cry makes me cry too. Makes me want to puke. It is a barbaric practice. Babies are so fragile in those first few days too when their only job is to bond with their parents and eat. When that is interrupted to perform a painful beyond all belief procedure, it is bound to have lifelong effects. Those first few days are so critical. If my boys get older and decide they want it done that is fine with me and I will help them get it done, but it is their choice and not mine. It is their body and who am I to cut it up for the sake of appearance? Btw both of my intact boys have never had a single issue with their foreskin. As they have gotten older they have discovered they can retract the foreskin on their own. It does it's job and has protected them from infection. I have never retracted it and washed it even though I was told to by nurses. They told me it would get too tight and cut off all blood supply if I didn't forcibly retract it 😒😒 nothing could be further from the truth I tell you. Leave the foreskin be. It is a healthy organ and 99 percent of the time will function as it should all on its own.

  • Reply wdmm94 June 16, 2018 at 5:24 am

    The link to the slides etc. does not appear to work anymore. Are they still available?

  • Reply Brandon Laureys June 16, 2018 at 5:18 pm

    Excellent presentation. Incredibly informative and accurate. Where is the immediate implementation of consensus, scientifically-backed practice?

    This video should never have to be seen more than once by a person performing these operations or overseeing them.

  • Reply :Karissa-casey. June 18, 2018 at 2:03 am

    That video drove an instinct in me to grab that baby and harm that doctor

  • Reply Kazerit June 27, 2018 at 9:15 am

    Americans have the highest rates of HIV of all the modern countries in the world.
    Only condoms prevents HIV

  • Reply Keywy June 30, 2018 at 12:26 am

    I don't understand women who think that little boys should be mutilated because it 'looks better'. Such a vain, awful reason to slice up a child, not to mention that women who are used to intact penises tend to prefer them to cut penises. I'm so glad I live in the UK where this is a rare occurrence.

  • Reply SimplyMaraMarina July 8, 2018 at 11:39 pm

    I cried when I heard the baby screaming

  • Reply bryan foster July 10, 2018 at 1:59 am

    Someone wrote on a one dollar bill for me to watch this video. I got the dollar in the central Illinois area. Anyone happen to write this on my dollar?

  • Reply Weebhut Jr July 13, 2018 at 10:15 pm

    This should be required viewing for all parents about to have children.

  • Reply Joy H July 18, 2018 at 5:04 pm

    I'm so thankful that my granddaughter did her homework and didn't allow the doctors to circumcise her baby boy! at the time I didn't agree but after watching this I'm sorry I had my own 2 sons citcumcised! what a tragic injustice to our children. why are they doing this? is it about money??????

  • Reply martise mitchell July 24, 2018 at 5:27 pm

    I’m going to get circumcised in a week!

  • Reply E .S July 24, 2018 at 5:31 pm

    A video based on opinions and very little science. Only one outdated study mentioned or very outdated science which has now been debunked.

  • Reply martise mitchell July 24, 2018 at 5:32 pm

    I’m going to circumcise my kids in the future.

  • Reply Sigh Borg July 24, 2018 at 9:45 pm

    That video of the procedure is the most horrifying thing I've ever seen/heard. Why anyone would allow and/or actively want this for their newborn is bewildering to me.

  • Reply ShineWithJoy August 3, 2018 at 1:46 am
    Boys are designed perfect too!!!

  • Reply mamatanswan August 9, 2018 at 6:39 pm

    Thank you for sharing Ryan McAllister’s incredible presentation! ❤️🙏🏽🙌🏽👏🏽

  • Reply Jessica Byrd August 21, 2018 at 6:48 am

    That's an infant screaming in agony.. It's so sickening that someone can say they don't feel pain. A normal healthy infant does not scream like that during normal distress. I can't imagine how anyone can do that to a fucking infant!

  • Reply Luiz Alex Phoenix August 23, 2018 at 2:58 am

    Watching this from another country, it's crazy. Actually, I had a bit phimosis and only learned by masturbating and early sex. But, after the shock, I only washed it regularly and the area that was attached eventually healed, I never had any other issue with my penis. More like the opposite, the idea of walking around with the head of my penis in contact with my underwear bothers me. Because the head is a very sensitive area and having it protected is very important to me. Plus, I never gave much thought to it, but my foreskin really is a sensitive area as well.

  • Reply ITS YA BOI August 25, 2018 at 1:06 am

    Got called a bitch and a coward today for saying it's stupid to mutilate children. All that does is just prove my point.

  • Reply Chillin' Like a Villain Killin' Krillin September 14, 2018 at 6:54 am

    It's high time we outlawed infant genital cutting altogether. It's illegal for girls, so when will boys have equal rights? Join the fight. Let's change the world.

  • Reply Anastasia Chaliman September 14, 2018 at 10:45 pm

    After I gave birth to my son last year (July of 2017), I was asked over and over by every nurse/ doctor, etc if I was going to circumcise my son. I already knew I wasn't going to. I had to tell them no over and over again. It was ridiculous. I'm sure that a mom who chose to circumcise would not have to tell them 10 times.
    Luckily, his pediatrician was very supportive and informed and when I told her I'm not circumcising, she said "That's good! It's completely unnecessarily."
    The US needs to get it together and catch up with the rest of the world!

  • Reply Chase Avior October 18, 2018 at 8:35 am

    Excellent! ✊ Also, join the Animal Rights Movement!

  • Reply Silly Nig-Nog October 19, 2018 at 2:05 am

    Alright then folks, who here was sent from Melon.

  • Reply Laura Taylor October 25, 2018 at 9:04 pm

    I am horrified…I could feel the baby's duress in my body as it cried in extreme distress. I am shaking, merely by witnessing this video! Thank you for sharing this important information!!! I feel sickened about this socially condoned, barbaric, unnecessary and traumatic procedure that is causing harm to our culture's sweet newborn babies!!!

  • Reply Laura Taylor October 25, 2018 at 9:20 pm

    For those who are concerned with the intact child's penis not looking the same as the surgically altered father….Wouldn't it be intelligent and ethical to inform others, and the child, that the child's penis looks differently from daddy because the parents knew better to keep the child's penis foreskin intact because it is the healthier and emotionally better choice?!

  • Reply gozgal November 3, 2018 at 6:30 pm

    I recently explained to my elderly mother how horrific this practice is (my brother is now 45). The look on her face broke my heart. Mothers have no idea. They need to know. It should be required to watch videos like this to say that a parent has "informed consent".

  • Reply Raven Skye November 11, 2018 at 8:34 pm

    My heart aches for that poor baby, why the hell is this child abuse allowed to happen? LEGALLY? When the hell did we stop thinking for ourselves and become so CONDITIONED that we believe this TORTURE is NORMAL?? My son will never..not by my doing nor anyone elses but his own.

  • Reply loveisforever November 28, 2018 at 4:20 am

    Omg the poor baby 😭 I cant watch it it’s horrible. I can’t believe they do this shit to them. It’s like they’re getting off on it. Idiots I’m in tears right now can you imagine the panic and fear and pain they feel. What a nice way to welcome a completely helpless soul into this world. Fucking dickheads.

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  • Reply Kernica1 December 1, 2018 at 7:48 am

    Very well presented. Thank you. Circumcision or any genital alterations (namely babies with genitals that do not fit clearly into only male or female options). When adults they can choose for themselves. Spend the effort and resources on education and acceptance.

  • Reply Jayson Argonaut December 11, 2018 at 1:50 am

    This video was made in 2011… At that time, the AAP's decision, since around 1996, was that there were NO MEDICAL BENEFITS to routine male infant circumcision. In 2012, the AAP changed their policy statement slightly using studies from Africa and other third world countries (which have no relevance in the U.S. or other developed countries).

    Although the American Academy of Pediatrics has stated that the health benefits of circumcision in newborn males outweigh the risks, it also states "these benefits are not great enough to recommend that all newborns be routinely circumcised.” Since 2012, the "benefits" (diaper maintenance, cleanliness, locker rooms chat, must look like daddy, it will be worse if done as an adult, UTI's, STD's, etc.) have ALL been debunked.

    The AAP does identify that there ARE differences with the infant/child penis and the adult penis and parents should take that into consideration because substantial damage can be done to the infant/child penis' anatomy when performed by OBGYN's and pediatricians (rather than by a Urologist). The AAP even reveals what happens with neonatal foreskins; it is harvested and sold for roughly $2,000.00 to be used for skin-grafts, Fibroplasties and the manufacturing of callogen.

    The full AAP report does state there is greater risk that medically unnecessary infant/child circumcisions will have long-term affects and impact upon sons (sexual dysfunction) as compared to when performed upon adult males.

    (1) Circumcised infants and children experience inflammation complications (embolisms) on the shaft beneath the glans (which would be exposed inner prepuce skin). These common inflammations, or embolisms, of the circ'd infant/child develop into Keloid Scarring and is most visible on the adult circ'd penis [ahead of the scar line and below the glans]; these exposed inner preputial tissue becoming inflamed are symptomatic of circulatory and nerve damage.

    (2) The glans of the penis eventually become keratinized and losing sensitivity (albeit, nerve damage). In this video, they simply don't discuss the soft-tissue damage: the 3 erectile columns, the 2 corpora cavernosa and the corpus spongiosum, as well as the columns' enveloping fascial layers, nerves, lymphatics, and blood vessels, all covered by skin, AND the 2 suspensory ligaments…

    (3) All of which the above incorporate significant factors that will, more than likely, evolve into sexual dysfunction later in life as the boy/man begins sexual activity (the AAP report suggests that, “consequently the circ'd male resorts to utilizing more varied sexual practice” than the intact male to achieve orgasm). One could also reasonably argue that the plaque causing Peyronie's Disease is the result of the yanking, tugging and twisting that takes place during a lot of the various types of circumcision.

    The AAP concludes its policy statement with disclosing 2 things: (a) that less than 1-percent of intact adult males elect to have circumcision for non-medical indication and that most regret making that decision and (b) most boys/men are dissatisfied with their parents for not allowing them to make the decision about their own bodies after they turn 18. Consequently, the AAP's report DOES encourage parents to leave their sons intact and allow them to make the decision after they turn 18 (but you're not supposed to know about these respectful facts).

  • Reply Ramunas 71 December 13, 2018 at 9:28 pm

    USA has no moral justification to continue their miserable existence, it has to be circumsized from the Earths face. Ugly perverted country, which mutilates baby boys. No forgiveness! Stupid nation of idiots! Specifically termination has to be applied to those clever women who now feel they have right NOT TO MUTILATE their baby boys. I am so disgusted of this attitude, that I feel like cleaning up this part of the planet right now!

  • Reply dreams of turtles December 15, 2018 at 6:16 am

    Listening to this screaming, traumatized baby (which i could barely do) how can any rational human being NOT think this is painful torture? At a critical time of bonding, of learning love and trust…, torture is inflicted. My God, what does this do to an infants psyche? The developing brain is rapidly making connections and impressions- how can anyone think this is not having an effect?

    Head AND heart should tell us this is wrong.

  • Reply SATYUG3z December 18, 2018 at 1:37 pm

    Religious circumcision is meant to please Devil's thirst of blood.Can't find any other reason.

  • Reply Ana December 20, 2018 at 2:53 pm

    This is terrifying 😭 poor babys
    I have 2 boys and i have never even taught of circumcising them..
    this is cruel to make a baby go through that…

  • Reply LibertyorDeath December 24, 2018 at 5:52 am

    This makes me extremely angry that my parents had the nerve to do this to me.

  • Reply ICantThinkOfAUsername January 5, 2019 at 6:34 am

    I can't imagine not having a foreskin and I personally think it's just as bad as chopping off a baby's fingers or toes

  • Reply UtwoBed January 10, 2019 at 12:43 pm

    Funny how this guy misses the point of Circumcision completely. This is purely a religious practice and has nothing to do with medical issues. The Bible/God instructs his people to be Circumcised as a means of a physical identifier of who his chosen people are, and later, to also identify gentiles who are grafted into His family. So the essential question remains as it always has, are you going to obey your God or not? I choose the former.

  • Reply Ryan H January 10, 2019 at 4:03 pm

    Cut all boys. Foreskin is gross and unhealthy.

  • Reply Sacred Deer January 12, 2019 at 7:24 pm

    Stop mutilating your babies you fucking weirdos.

  • Reply IBSTAR82 PORTAGE January 13, 2019 at 8:11 am

    foreskin cheese lovers….

  • Reply Sweetie Squad January 20, 2019 at 11:13 am

    fucqueen jews are evil

  • Reply Sweetie Squad January 20, 2019 at 11:14 am

    260 Jews down voted.

  • Reply Sweetie Squad January 20, 2019 at 11:18 am

    author = father etymologically
    The OWNER is the father, he is the supreme being until the age of consent (adult)
    EVERY WOMAN IN AUTHORITY IS A LITERAL AUTHORITY USURPER, sorry for YELLING but it is the absolute truth.

  • Reply Sweetie Squad January 20, 2019 at 11:21 am

    every doctor that does this should be immediately KILLED.

  • Reply desiweaver1 January 24, 2019 at 8:45 am

    Galatians 5:6
    For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision counts for anything, but only faith working through love.

    (For the Christians out there that seem to think following the old covenant (the old testament) is a necessity when Jesus himself says that circumcision doesn't make a difference. Which if one had read their bible accordingly will also know that the old covenant fell away when Jesus Christ gave his life for our sins

  • Reply TheCoyoteHill February 2, 2019 at 6:45 am

    Absolute soy boy

  • Reply M. Benstein February 4, 2019 at 2:01 pm

    What a load of bullcrap

  • Reply Ryan Duffy February 5, 2019 at 9:01 pm

    All parents should be shown this presentation before being asked about circumcision

  • Reply Annie Klas Marsden February 21, 2019 at 5:27 pm

    My only qualm with this lecture is the statement about measles vaccines giving life-long immunity; they do not, only exposure to “wild” measles gives true immunity. Otherwise, great discussion!! Bravo! Best decision I ever made for my son was refusing circumcision!

  • Reply Lineke L March 15, 2019 at 11:14 am

    thanks for the information!! Circumsicion on girls and boys is the same, horror and traumatic for the children!!! Doctors do this only for the money, there are no medical or religious reasons for this macaber mutilation of a healthy child body!!!

  • Reply Lineke L March 18, 2019 at 2:27 am

    Very informative video and so wright!! No doctor tells you this information!! Circumcision is barbaric en torture for girls and boys, doctors who perform this, should be in jail!!

  • Reply Ilovethecoca94 March 18, 2019 at 6:32 pm

    When's the last time you bought a knife without a sheath man u were born with its pointless honestly

  • Reply Reed Nelson March 21, 2019 at 5:22 am

    Fantastic presentation. Thank you so much for working towards eliminating this abhorrent procedure.

  • Reply Tasoq March 31, 2019 at 10:25 am

    I could not watch that clip of it.

  • Reply erik hutto March 31, 2019 at 8:23 pm

    A five dollar bill told me to come here, I received it yesterday at work. Wtf lool!

  • Reply Tracy Hunter April 2, 2019 at 10:24 pm

    When my 19 year old son was born the nurses came to me when he was 2 days old and said they needed to take him to the nursery for his hearing test and when they brought him back he was bright red and just inconsolable. They then went on to give instructions for how to care for his newly circumcised penis as though it was no big deal. Awful. Just awful.

  • Reply Aligned Frequency April 4, 2019 at 12:19 am

    The challenge with not circumcising is hygiene. I don’t think children should be circumcised but parents will need to teach their children to be clean. Unfortunately this has to be said.

  • Reply WINNING247 April 4, 2019 at 3:51 pm

    Before researching I went back and forth with circumcising, then I googled and researched and was horrified. This brought me to tears for all the babies that had to suffer. I am glad I went with my heart and left him the way God sent him to me.

  • Reply Kayla T April 14, 2019 at 11:55 pm

    I will never have my future children go through this!! So glad I’m learning all of this before I have kids!!

  • Reply Suzen Rodriguez April 17, 2019 at 12:05 am

    Watching that video was heartbreaking. People NEED to stop doing this to their baby boys. When I had my son and they asked me if I wanted the procedure done I absolutely mortified that anyone would cut my beautiful baby boy. I was 17 years old and I knew it was wrong.

  • Reply FatihAegon April 21, 2019 at 4:31 am

    i hate my family so much for doing this it was against my consent and they did it anyway

  • Reply Blue Apple April 21, 2019 at 12:45 pm

    Young women should seriously investigate this subject before they criticize men or let a stranger cut their newborn son’s penis.

  • Reply Chris Imer May 24, 2019 at 10:31 am

    No boy should be Circumcised it's there for a reason . And it's the boys choice to have it done or not. I would sue my parents if they did that to he. You shouldn't be allowed to give these talks.

  • Reply Steve Cook May 27, 2019 at 3:03 pm

    I am not saying it is right or wrong to circumcise, I am saying there are more facts out there, and you should look deep at them before agreeing with some random internet guy.

    So, while most of what he says is not really wrong, much of it is exaggerated. More importantly he ignores the other side. For instance circumcision reduces your risk of getting an STD, reduces the number of infections you will have, and reduces the risk of a serious infection. There are also serious issues that can take place without circumcision, that can be very dramatic and painful. Also the risks are far less than getting your ears pierced, yet many people do that to their children, or even allow them to do so before they are old enough to understand the risks. (I'm not even going to discuss the trends of tats, piercing and other things we do to ourselves.).

    The bottom line is this guy is lying by omission instead of giving you all of the facts he gives you half of them in an attempt to persuade you to his view point, instead of giving you knowledge to make an informed choice, he already made that choice for you, then blabs about taking it away from the child. Truly educated people don't need to force feed you a propaganda, they can just give you the facts.

  • Reply pedro henrique dos santos June 2, 2019 at 6:28 pm

    4:00 The logical Fallacies.

  • Reply Brother K June 5, 2019 at 4:50 pm

    Bloodstained Men & Their Friends are fighting back in the streets with 60 protests a year coast to coast.

  • Reply Eb KS July 3, 2019 at 2:45 pm

    Im so glad to have come across this video!!!

  • Reply VerisonMember July 24, 2019 at 12:27 pm

    You're barking up the wrong tree. The reason that people will refuse to stop circumcision, is because those who are circumcised feel that WOMEN are grossed out by uncircumcised penises.
    If you truly want to change this social norm, the only productive plan off attack needs to be to convince the porn industry to show only uncircumcised male actors.

    I completely agree with this man's argument. However, may still have my Son circumcised due to the reason I mentioned.

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  • Reply LB CA July 27, 2019 at 4:54 am

    My parents LOVED me, they didnt let anyone do this to me, thanks mom and dad!

  • Reply afireinhearts August 7, 2019 at 8:25 am

    ☀ 🙏 ☀

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