A SARS-LIKE VIRUS SPREADS AGAIN. MORE CASES, MORE PLACES, MORE DEATHS.>>Andrew: CHINA TAKES A DRAMATIC NEW STEP WHILE THE WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION DECIDES TO WAIT. WHAT IS CANADA DOING?>>AS LONG WE COPE AN EYE O KEEP AN EYE ON
IT, WE SHOULD BE WELL PREPARED.>>Adrienne: WHY RONA AMBROSE WON’T BE THE NEXT CONSERVATIVE PARTY LEADER.>>Andrew: EMPATHY AND ADVICE FROM ONE HEART-BROKEN FAMILY. WHY THEY NOW FEEL ABANDONED.>>Adrienne: A HARVEY WEINSTEIN ACCUSER TAKES A HUGE RISK AND TALKS WITH US.>>I DIDN’T GO INTO THE JOB THINKING HE’S A SERIAL RAPIST.>>Adrienne: HE’S ON TRIAL IN A NEW YORK COURTROOM. THIS IS “THE NATIONAL.” CONFIRMATION TONIGHT, THE DANGEROUS CORONAVIRUS IS ON THE MOVE AND TAKING MORE LIVES.>>Andrew: AT LEAST 17 PEOPLE HAVE NOW DIED. MORE THAN 570 OTHERS INFECTED AND CHINESE OFFICIALS SAY THOUSANDS MORE HAVE PROBABLY BEEN EXPOSED WITHOUT KNOWING IT. TONIGHT WE WILL SHOW YOU HOW CANADA IS PREPARING ITS DEFENSES. LET’S BEGIN WITH THE EFFORTS TO COORDINATE A GLOBAL RESPONSE FROM BEIJING TO THE WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION HEADQUARTERS IN GENEVA. AS SASA PETRICIC REPORTS, THEY’RE WAITING TONIGHT.>>OUR TEAM IS ON THE GROUND IN CHINA WORKING WITH EXPERTS TO INVESTIGATE THE OUTBREAK.>>Reporter: AFTER A DAY-LONG MEETING WITH EXPERTS, THE HEAD OF THE WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION CALLS THE CORONAVIRUS OUTBREAK AN EVOLVING AND COMPLEX SITUATION, BUT OPTED TO WAIT A DAY BEFORE MAKING A DECISION ON DECLARING A GLOBAL EMERGENCY AS IT DID DO FOR SARS IN 2003.>>TO PROCEED, WE NEED MORE INFORMATION.>>Reporter: WHO OFFICIALS TODAY PRAISED CHINA’S OPENNESS SINCE THE OUTBREAK BEGAN THREE WEEKS AGO IN THE CENTRAL CITY OF WUHAN, WHERE IT IS STILL MOST CONCENTRATED. THE SUSPECTED GROUND ZERO OF THE OUTBREAK, THIS NOW CLOSED SEAFOOD MARKET IS STILL UNDER INVESTIGATION. WUHAN IS EFFECTIVELY LOCKED DOWN AND ORDERING TRAIN STATIONS TO CLOSE AND SUBWAYS, BUSES AND FERRIES SHUT DOWN AND WUHAN RESIDENTS ENCOURAGE NOT TO MOVE AROUND AT ALL UNLESS ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY. IT’S ALL TO SLOW THE SPREAD OF THE VIRUS DURING CHINESE LUNAR NEW YEAR, THE BUSIEST TRAVEL TIME OF THE YEAR. BUT GIVEN HOW DIFFICULT THE WUHAN VIRUS IS TO DETECT, THAT MAY PROVE TOUGH. ALREADY CONFIRMED IN SHANGHAI, BEIJING, OFFICIALS IN HONG KONG ANCONFIRMING CASES AND THEY WORRY IT WILL JOIN JAPAN AND THE UNITED STATES WITH CASES OF ITS OWN AFTER A FEVERISH YOUNG TRAVELER RETURNED FROM SHANGHAI. IT MAY BE EFFECTIVELY QUARANTINED BUT IS THAT ENOUGH?>>Andrew: YOU WERE SPEAKING WITH PEOPLE BOARDING THE TRAINS IN BEIJING AND WHAT ARE THEY SAYING?>>Reporter: IT WAS A GREAT DEAL OF WORRY AND FRUSTRATION. PEOPLE JUST AREN’T SURE WHAT THEY CAN DO TO PROTECT THEMSELVES AGAINST A VIRUS THAT IS SO NEW AND UNKNOWN AND AS THE EXPERTS WERE SAYING HERE TODAY ALREADY MUTATING.>>Andrew: SASA PETRICIC IN BEIJING TONIGHT, THANKS. NOW TONIGHT HERE IN CANADA, THERE ARE NO CONFIRMED CASES, BUT WITH THE DEADLY SARS OUTBREAK IN 2003 IN MIND, CANADIAN HEALTH OFFICIALS WANT TO BE READY AND DEFENSES ARE ALREADY BEING SET UP. VIK ADHOPIA GOT A TOUR OF THE FRONT LINES IN TORONTO.>>Reporter: AT THIS EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT IN NORTHWEST TORONTO, THEY’RE NOT TAKING ANYONE CHANCES, ALONG WITH BLOOD PRESSURE AND OTHER VITAL INFORMATION, QUESTIONS ABOUT FOREIGN TRAVELS.>>HAVE YOU TRAVELED OUTSIDE OF CANADA IN THE LAST 30 DAYS?>>ALL LOGISTICS ARE MAPPED OUT AND WE’RE ABLE TO ACT.>>Reporter: IN THE HUMBER RIVER HOSPITAL’S COMMAND CENTRE, STAFF MONITOR THE VITAL SIGNS. THIS NEW HOSPITAL WAS BUILT WITH OUTBREAKS IN MIND.>>I CAN’T, YOU KNOW, STRESS ENOUGH HOW INCREDIBLY UNPREPARED WE WERE FOR SARS. WE’RE IN SUCH A BETTER POSITION NOW.>>Reporter: THE HOSPITAL’S CHIEF OF STAFF WAS IN THE THICK OF THE SARS’ CRISIS 17 YEARS AGO, WHEN WEAK PROTOCOLS SPURRED ON THE SPREAD OF THE VIRUS.>>IT WAS ABOUT RUNNING AROUND AND TRYING TO BUY REMEMBE REST RESPIRATORIERS.>>Reporter: THEY’RE STEPPING UP SCREENING OF INTERNATIONAL TRAVELERS BUT MAY NOT SHOW TEMPERATURES DURING FLIGHTS SO HOSPITALS REMAIN AT THE FRONTLINES IF THE OUTBREAK SPREAD.>>IT’S IMPORTANT WE ISOLATE THE PATIENTS RIGHT AWAY.>>Reporter: AT ANOTHER HOSPITAL THERE’S A SENSE OF READINESS. THE EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT HAS DEALT WITH CASES THAT TESTED NEGATIVE FOR THE CORONAVIRUS.>>WE’VE HAD THREE PATIENTS THAT HAVE COME IN WITH A TRAVEL HISTORY WHO PRESENTED WITH THESE SYMPTOMS AND THEY’VE DONE A PHENOMENAL JOB GETTING THE PATIENTS INTO THE APPROPRIATE ISOLATION RIGHT AWAY.>>Reporter: THE DEPARTMENT MANAGER IS ANOTHER VETERAN OF THE SARS CRISIS.>>I THINK PEOPLE HAVE TO APPRECIATE IT’S NOT THE SAME AS SARS, NOT PRESENTING THE SAME, THE NUMBERS ARE NOT THE SAME AND DEATH RATE IS NOT THE SAME. AS LONG WE KEEP AN EYE ON IT, WE SHOULD BE WELL PREPARED.>>Reporter: PREPARED AND READY FOR IF TOMORROW THE WHO DECLARES A NEW GLOBAL HEALTH EMERGENCY. VIK ADOPHIA, CBC NEWS, TORONTO.>>Andrew: TONIGHT QUEBEC HEALTH OFFICIALS ARE MONITORING SEVERAL PEOPLE WHO HAVE RECENTLY RETURNED FROM CHINA AND THEY SAID TODAY THAT SIX PEOPLE HAVE SHOWN SIGNS OF A RESPIRATORY ILLNESS AND FIVE UNDER OBSERVATION IN MONTREAL AND THE SIX TESTED NEGATIVE AND WERE ABLE TO GO HOME. WE’LL BRING YOU UPDATES AS WE GET THEM.>>Adrienne: THERE HAS BEEN A HUGE SURPRISE TONIGHT IN THE RACE TO BE THE NEXT CONSERVATIVE PARTY LEADER. THE WOMAN SO MANY HAD FAVORED WILL NOT RUN. RONA AMBROSE SAYS THANKS BUT NO THANKS. AS HANNAH THIBEDEAU EXPLAINS, THAT CHANGES EVERYTHING.>>Reporter: IN A MINUTE AND A HALF LONG VIDEO, RONA AMBROSE DASHED THE HOPES OF MANY CONSERVATIVES ACROSS CANADA.>>BUT RIGHT NOW, I’M FOCUSED ON MAKING A DIFFERENCE THROUGH THE PRIVATE SECTOR.>>Reporter: SHE’S FACED WEEKS OF IMMENSE PRESSURE TO RUN FROM HEAVY WEIGHTS LIKE STEPHEN HARPER, JASON KENNEY AND FORMER SASKATCHEWAN PREMIER, BRAD WALL BUT TODAY SHE FINALLY DECIDED, SHE’S OUT.>>IT IS HUMBLING TO BE CONSIDERED AT ALL BECAUSE I LOVE OUR PARTY, I LOVE THE PEOPLE IN IT AND I LOVE OUR COUNTRY.>>Reporter: WITHOUT HER, IT’S A RACE SO FAR WITH NO HIGH PROFILE WESTERNER OR FEMALE CANDIDATE. ADD THAT TO FORMER QUEBEC PREMIER AND PROGRESSIVE CONSERVATIVE LEADER AND THIS IS A MUCH DIFFERENT LEADERSHIP RACE.>>NOT HAVING THEM IN THE RACE DOESN’T MAKE IT AS EXCITING AND WOULD HAVE BEEN GREAT TO HAVE THEM IN THERE.>>Reporter: THAT’S THE THINKING OF MANY CONSERVATIVES AND MANY FEEL IT’S A THREE-WAY RACE.>>IT WOULD BRIGHT NOW P PETER MACKAY WOUL
D BE SEEN AS THE FAVOURITE AND DON’T UNDERESTIMATE P O’TOOLE BUT TODAY IT’S THOSE THREE.>>Reporter: SHE WAS SEEN AS THE BEST SHOT BUT WITH HER DECISION, THE CONSERVATIVES NEED TO FOCUS ALL OF THEIR ATTENTION ON WHO WILL ACTUALLY LEAD THAT FIGHT.>>Adrienne: , OHOW IS THE CONSERVATIVE RACE SHAPING UP? THEY’LL BE HERE AT THE REGULAR TIME TOMORROW.>>Andrew: FIVE TOURISTS FROM FRANCE ARE MISSING AND THEIR TOUR GUIDE IS DEAD AFTER THEIR SNOWMOBILE PLUNGED THROUGH ICE. THREE TOURISTS MANAGED TO ESCAPE AND LEAD POLICE TO A SPOT THAT LOCALS KNEW TO AVOID. ALISON NORTHCOTT EXPLAINS HOW THIS ALL WENT WRONG.>>Reporter: POLICE ON SNOWMOBILE COMBING THE SHORES. THE SEARCH BEGAN LAST NIGHT AFTER THE TOUR GROUP WAS SNOWMOBILING AND SOME PLUNGED THROUGH THE ICE. (SPEAKING FRENCH).>>Reporter: QUEBEC PROVISIONAL POLICE SERGEANT SAID THEY LEFT THE TRAIL. THE MAN WAS PULLED FROM THE WATERS BUT LATER DIED. THREE SOUGHT HELP FROM A GAS STATION AND SAYS THE AREA THEY WERE THIS IS KNOWN TO BE DANGEROUS. EVERYONE KNOWS IN THAT IN AREA IT NEVER FREEZES. BUT SNOWMOBILING IS A BIG DRAW. ACCORDING TO QUEBEC’S CORONER’S OFFICE, AT LEAST 20 TOURISTS DIED IN SNOWMOBILING ACCIDENTING IN THE LAST TEN YEARS. IT CAN BE A DANGEROUS SPORT IF YOU DON’T TAKE PRECAUTIONS.>>IT’S TEMPTING TO GO OUTSIDE THE TRAILS IN THOSE SITUATIONS AND THAT’S WHAT THEY’RE PAYING FOR A LOT OF TIMES TO SEE. SO IT CAN BECOME A LITTLE PROBLEMATIC SOMETIMES AND, OBVIOUSLY, WE’RE PUTTING PEOPLE AT RISK.>>Reporter: IN THIS CASE, THE GUIDE COMPLETED A SAFETY GROUP TEN YEARS AGO AND THE FEDERATION OF SNOWMOBILE CLUB SAYS THAT TRAINING IS NOT MANDATORY BUT THERE ARE GUIDELINES EVERY SNOWMOBILER SHOULD FOLLOW.>>REMAIN ON THE STATE TRAILS.>>Reporter: POLICE SAY THE STRONG CURRENTS HAVE MADE THEIR WORK HARDER AND TONIGHT POLICE HAVE CONFIRMED THEY LOCATED TWO SNOWMOBILES IN THE WATER AND THEY’LL BE RETRIEVED TOMORROW. ALISON NORTHCOTT, CBC NEWS, MONTREAL.>>Adrienne: WELL, PATIENCE IS MORE THAN A VIRTUE. RIGHT NOW IN St. JOHN’S A DEGREE OF SANITY DEPENDS ON IT IN A STATE OF EMERGENCY. THE CITY IS STRUGGLE TO FIND NORMAL BUT SO MUCH OF THAT RECORD 76 CENTIMETRE SNOWFALL JUST WON’T GET OUT OF THE WAY. TO GET THE SUPPLIES AND MEDICAL CARE, CARS ARE ALLOWED MAKING FOR MORE TRAFFIC TO MAKE WALKING DANGEROUS.>>WE DIDN’T HAVE A LOT OF SIDEWALKS IN THE BEGINNING.>>YOU HAVE TO BE CAREFUL WHERE YOU’RE WALKING AND BE READY TO JUMP INTO A SNOW BANK WHEN CARS ARE COMING.>>Adrienne: THE AIRPORT IS NOW OPENED AND FAMILIES ARE REUNITING. WHILE VISITORS ESCAPE.>>HARDLY SLEPT. [ Laughter ]>>Adrienne: THEY TAKE FOND MEMORIES WITH THEM.>>GOT TO EXPERIENCE A HURRICANE IN THE SNOW SO IT WAS PRETTY SWEET.>>Adrienne: SWEET IF YOU HAVE THE LUXURY. OF LEAVING THIS SNOW-SCULPTURED CITY.>>YOU HAD A FULL DAY TODAY, ALL OF THE 27 TEAMS WE HAVE ARE ON THE GROUND.>>Adrienne: St. JOHN’S WILL HAVE THE MILITARY’S HELP UNTIL DEMAND FOR IT MELTS AWAY. SO THE DAMAGE LEFT BY THE STORM IS CLEARER BY THE DAY, BUT THE SNOW DIDN’T ALWAYS HAVE THE COURTESY TO STAY OUTSIDE. CHRIS O-NEILL-YATES MET SOME HOMEOWNERS WHO FACED AN AVALANCHE INSIDE THEIR HOUSE.>>Reporter: AS IF BEING IN THE DARK WITH NO POWER DURING A BLIZZARD WASN’T ENOUGH, ADD THIS.>>AND I JUST POURED WATER INTO A CUP OF TEA WHEN THERE WAS THIS BIG LOUD CRACK AND THUMP.>>Reporter: CHRISTINA SMITH AND CHRIS BROOKS WERE IN THIS PERFECT AREA OF St. JOHN’S AND LIVE IN THE DARK GREENHOUSE ON THE RIGHT. FRIDAY NIGHT, THEIR TENANT SAYING THE HOUSE WAS FILLED WITH SNOW.>>IT BASICALLY POPPED THE WINDOW RIGHT OUT, WINDOW BOX AND ALL.>>Reporter: IT CAME FROM A CLIFF BEHIND THE HOUSE. NORMALLY THE SNOW FENCE WAS PUT THERE FOR SAFETY CATCHES THE SNOW BUT NOT THIS TIME.>>WE’RE SHOVELING SNOW OUT THE DOOR AND I PHONED OUR NEIGHBOURS AND SAID, LOOK, CAN YOU COME AND HELP AND ABOUT AN HOUR LATER, WE HEARD VOICES AND IT WAS THE FIREMEN.>>I MEAN, THEY APPEARED LIKE THREE SNOWMEN.>>Reporter: THEY ENDED UP SHOVELING OUT THE SNOW, PREVENTING THE POTENTIAL COLLAPSE OF THE HOUSE UNDER THE WEIGHT OF IT. BROOK SMITH AND THEIR TENANT TRUDGED TO A NEARBY HOUSE AND AFTER LIVING THEY’RE 30 YEARS, IT WILL TAKE MORE THAN AND AVALANCHE TO GET THEM OUT.>>THE CHARM IS THAT IT’S UNDERNEATH A CLIFF.>>Reporter: BROOKS SAYS HE STILL DOESN’T FEEL UNSAFE HERE.>>YOU DON’T KNOW HOW YOU’RE GOING TO DIE. YOU COULD BE RUN OVER BY A TRUCK. YOU COULD GET A DISEASE, YOU HAVE NO IDEA. I HAVE ALWAYS SAID JOKINGLY, A DIRTY BIG ROCK WILL COME OFF THE CLIFF AND GO BANG AND THAT’S IT.>>Reporter: THEY WON’T KNOW THE EXTENT OF THE DAMAGE UNTIL THE SNOW MELTS. RIGHT NOW THEY’RE FEELING THANKFUL. CHRIS O-NEILL-YATES, CBC NEWS, St. JOHN’S.>>Adrienne: JUST GETTING BACK FROM St. JOHN’S A COUPLE OF HOURS AGO, I HAVE TO SAY THE SNOW IS GOING BUT THE STORIES ARE NOT. THERE ARE MORE EXTRAORDINARY STORIES OF KINDNESS AND ONE OF THE MORE EXTRAORDINARY ONES IS COMING UP IN THE “MOMENT.”>>Andrew: GOOD TO HAVE YOU BACK.>>Adrienne: THANK YOU.>>Andrew: LET’S TURN TO WASHINGTON NOW WHERE THE IMPEACHMENT TRIAL OF THE U.S. PRESIDENT FINALLY GOT UNDERWAY. DONALD TRUMP HIMSELF WAS THOUSANDS OF KILOMETERS AWAY AT THE WORLD ECONOMIC FORUM IN SWITZERLAND BUT AS SUSAN ORMISTON TELLS US, HE COULD NOT RESIST WEIGHING IN.>>Reporter: THE PRESIDENT TOOK A PUMMELING, THE CASE AGAINST AGGRESSIVELY ARGUED.>>PRESIDENT TRUMP WITHHELD HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO A STRATEGIC POWER AT WAR WITH RUSSIA TO SECURE FOREIGN HELP WITH HIS REELECTION. IN OTHER WORDS, TO CHEAT.>>Reporter: THAT’S HOW IT WENT FOR EIGHT HOURS, ACCUSING PRESIDENT TRUMP OF CHEATING, ABUSING HIS POWER AND COVERING IT UP AFTER THE NOW INFAMOUS CALL WITH NOW PRESIDENT ZELENSKY.>>THE CALL RECORD REVEALED A PRESIDENT WHO USED HIS OFFICE TO PRESS THE LEADER OF A FOREIGN COUNTRY TO DO HIS POLITICAL DIRTY WORK.>>Reporter: IF LEFT UNCHECKED, SAYS THE PROSECUTION TEAM, TRUMP COULD DO IT AGAIN IN THE RUN-UP TO THIS YEAR’S ELECTION.>>THE PRESIDENT IS UNAPOLOGETIC, THIS LAWLESS, THIS UNBOUND TO THE CONSTITUTION MUST BE REMOVED FROM THAT OFFICE.>>Reporter: OUTSIDE OF THE CHAMBER, THE BATTLE OF PERSUASION, TRUMP’S TEAM SAYING NOTHING NEW HERE, REHASHED.>>THEY’RE PUTTING ON THEIR CASE AND THE GOOD NEWS WE HAVE 22 MORE HOURS AND THEN WE’LL GO.>>Reporter: OPINIONS HARDENED AND THIS COUPLE VISITING FROM LOUISIANA WON’T EVEN WATCH.>>I THINK IT’S A WASTE OF TIME. I THINK IT’S A WASTE OF MONEY. I THINK ALL OF THIS IS JUST TO GET TRUMP OUT. THEY NEVER WANTED HIM IN AND HE DEFEATED THEM AND THIS IS JUST THEIR PAYBACK.>>Reporter: PRESIDENT TRUMP ARRIVING BACK FROM SWITZERLAND TONIGHT, TEASED EARLIER IN THE DAY THAT HE WOULD LOVE TO COME TO THE SENATE.>>I’LL SIT IN THE FRONT ROW AND STARE IN THEIR CORRUPT FACES. I WOULD LOVE TO DO IT.>>Reporter: THE LAST THING HIS LEGAL ADVISERS WANT. WHAT WE CAN’T SHOW YOU INSIDE THE SENATE CHAMBER IS THE 100 SENATORS STUCK IN THEIR SEATS HOUR AFTER HOUR AND THEY CAN’T TALK AND THERE ARE NO CELL PHONES, NOT EVEN COFFEE. ONE SENATOR FROM MINNESOTA DESCRIBED THIS LIKE SITTING ON A TRACTOR. SUSAN ORMISTON, CBC NEWS, WASHINGTON.>>Adrienne: AND THERE WERE OPENING ARGUMENTS TODAY IN ANOTHER CASE FOLLOWED BY MILLIONS, THE CRIMINAL TRIAL OF HARVEY WEINSTEIN ON CHARGES THAT INCLUDE RAPE AND SEXUAL MISCONDUCT. STEPHEN D’SOUZA SHOWS US HOW EACH SIDE INTENDS TO SWAY THE JURY. THE DEFENSE TACTICS MAY SOUND FAMILIAR.>>Reporter: CASTING HIS WALKER ASIDE, HARVEY WEINSTEIN HOBBLED INTO COURT TODAY.>>DO YOU THINK YOU’LL GET A FAIR TRIAL TODAY.>>YEP.>>WHAT MAKES YOU SAY THAT?>>I HAVE GOOD LAWYERS.>>Reporter: IN COURT, EACH SIDE PAINTED A VERY DIFFERENT PICTURE OF WEINSTEIN. THE PROSECUTION CALLED THE HOLLYWOOD TITAN, A PREDATOR AND MA MEMBERSHIMANIPULATOR. THEY SAY HIS POWER WAS PROFESSIONAL AND EMOTIONAL. THEY WENT TO DETAIL OF THE ALLEGED ASSAULTS AGAINST MIMMI HALAYI AND NAMED FOR THE FIRST TIME TODAY ASPIRING ACTRESS, JESSICA MANN IN 2013. THROUGHOUT TODAY’S OPENING STATEMENTS, HARVEY WEINSTEIN TOOK NOTES, WHISPERED TO HIS LAWYERS AND PAID CLOSE ATTENTION TO EVERY WORD. THEY CALLED THE PROSECUTION’S OPENING ARGUMENT A SEDUCTIVE NARRATIVE. IT’S NOT TRUE OR REAL BUT A PREVIEW TO A MOVIE WE’RE NOT GOING TO SEE SAYING WEINSTEIN’S RELATIONS WITH THE WOMEN WERE CONCENSUAL AND READ NUMEROUS EMAILS THE WOMEN SENT AFTER THEIR ALLEGED ASSAULTS LIKE THIS FROM JESSICA MANN. I LOVE YOU, I ALWAYS DO, BUT I HATE FEELING LIKE A BOOTIE CALL. LAWYER GLORIA ALRED SAID THIS WILL BE BRUTAL.>>IT DOESN’T MEAN RETROACTIVELY THAT SEXUAL DID NOT HAPPEN.>>Reporter: ULTIMATELY, THE JURY OF SEVEN MEN AND FIVE WOMEN WILL HAVE TO DECIDE WHICH VERSION OF HARVEY WEINSTEIN IS CLOSEST TO THE TRUTH. STEPHEN D’SOUZA, CBC NEWS, NEW YORK.>>Adrienne: OF COURSE, THERE ARE SO MANY ACCUSERS WHO WILL NEVER HAVE THEIR DAY IN COURT. LIKE HARVEY WEINSTEIN’S FORMER ASSISTANT, SHE SAYS HE TRIED TO RAPE HER AND SHUT HER UP.>>I REALLY FELT I WOULD NEVER GET AWAY FROM THE SECRET.>>Adrienne: NOW SHE’S BREAKING A NONDISCLOSURE AGREEMENT TO TELL HER STORY IN A CANADIAN EXCLUSIVE.>>Andrew: THE FORMER CANADIAN RESERVIST CALLING FOR CIVIL WAR IN THE U.S. WHERE POLICE SAY HE WAS PLANNING TO ATTACK.>>Adrienne: AND A LITTLE BOY IN St. JOHN’S WHO JUST WANTED TO HELP.>>HE SAID, MY HEART IS BROKEN.>>Adrienne: THE M>>Adrienne: WELCOME BACK. LEADERS FROM SOME OF CANADA’S BIGGEST UNIONS JOINED A REGINA PICKET LINE AND THEY’RE NOT AMONG THE WORKERS LOCKED OUT FOR 48 DAYS BUT THEY SAY WHAT IS HAPPENING OUTSIDE OF THIS OIL REFINERY COULD RESONATE ACROSS THE COUNTRY.>>STEP UP.>>Reporter: UNION LEADERS HAVE COME TO HELP BARRICADE ONE OF THE LARGEST OIL REFINERIES IN CANADA. THEY’RE GALVANIZED IN A FIGHT FOR PENSION SECURITY.>>IF THEY TAKE AWAY PENSIONS, WE KNOW THEY’RE COMING AFTER OURS NEXT.>>Reporter: FOR THREE DAYS THIS HAS BEEN BEEFED UP WITH CHAINED-LINKED FENCES AND THEY’VE LOCKED FUEL STRUCKS AND REPLACEMENT WORKERS AND AN ATTEMPT TO SHUT DOWN BUSINESS AT THE CO-OP OIL REFINERY. UNIFOR IS DEFIANT. IT’S DOUBLING DOWN AFTER 14 PEOPLE WERE ARRESTED AND CHARGED WITH MISCHIEF MONDAY NIGHT, INCLUDING UNIFOR’S PRESIDENT, JERRY DIAS. POLICE HAVE SINCE PULLED BACK BUT DIAS SAYS IT’S THE FIRST TIME IN 40 YEARS OF PICKETING THAT HE’S BEEN ARRESTED. HE’S PREPARED TO PUSH THE LIMITS OF THE LAW.>>IF THEY’RE GOING TO LOCK US OUT AND BRING IN SCAPES TO DO OUR JOB, THAT’S THE ABSOLUTE NO-FLY ZONE IN THIS COUNTRY.>>Reporter: THEY SAY THE ONLY REASON POLICE BACKED OFF WAS BECAUSE OF THE NUMBER OF PICKETERS. THE POLICE CHIEF CONCEDED OFFICERS CAN’T ARREST THEM ALL.>>THERE’S A LINE IN WHICH THE LAW CAN’T BE BROKEN.>>HAS THAT BEEN CROSSED RIGHT NOW?>>NOT AS EASY AS JUST SLIPPING OUT THERE WITH A POLICE CAR.>>Reporter: THE COMPANY SAYS THE UNION IS USING AN ILLEGAL BLOCKADE AS A BULLYING TACTIC AND THIS FIGHT IS COSTING BOTH SIDES A LOT OF MONEY. TODAY A JUDGE RULED THAT UNIFOR VIOLATED A COURT INJUNCTION WHEN IT BLOCKED TRAFFIC LAST MONTH AND MUST PAY A FINE OF $100.>>Andrew: BREAKING NEWS THAT I WANT TO GET TO. DAN IS STANDING BY IN OUR VANCOUVER NEWSROOM.>>IT HAS BEEN A DEALED DAY IN DOWNTOWN SEATTLE. ONE PEN KILLED AND SEVERAL HURT AFTER A SHOOTING IN A BUSY SHOPPING DISTRICT AND TONIGHT POLICE ARE TRYING TO FIND THOSE RESPONSIBLE. IT HAPPENED AT 5:00 P.M. OUTSIDE OF A FAST FOOD RESTAURANT JUST BLOCKS FROM THE PIKE’S PLACE MARKET. POLICE, FIREFIGHTERS AND PARAMEDICS RACED TO THE SCENE AS SHOTS RANG OUT.>>WHAT WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DETERMINE IS THIS WAS NOT A RANDOM INCIDENT. THERE WAS A DISPUTE IN FRONT OF THE McDONALDS, PEOPLE PULLED OUT GUNS, SHOT RANG OUT AND PEOPLE RAN IN VARIOUS DIRECTIONS. AS YOU KNOW, WE HAD MULTIPLE PEOPLE THAT WERE INJURED.>>Reporter: POLICE SAY ONE PERSON WAS KILLED AT THE SCENE AND SEVEN MORE RUSHED TO HOSPITAL. A WOMAN WENT INTO SURGERY IN CRITICAL CONDITION, WHILE A 9-YEAR-OLD BOY WAS SERIOUSLY HURT AND FIVE OTHER PEOPLE IN STABLE CONDITION. WITNESSES SAY IT WAS A CHAOTIC SCENE AS PEOPLE RACED FOR COVER.>>I HEARD A SERIES OF POPS AND THEN ABOUT A DOZEN POPS AND I SAW PEOPLE RUNNING AND I SAW BODIES DOWN. I WASN’T SURE IF THEY WERE HURT.>>Reporter: POLICE ARE TRYING TO FIND THE SUSPECT OR SUSPECTS AND LOOKING AT SURVEILLANCE VIDEO FROM NEARBY STORES. THIS IS THE THIRD SHOOTING IN THREE DAYS. A MAN DIED IN ASTAREWELL AND NOT CLEAR IF ANY OF THE SHOOTINGS ARE LINKED. BACK TO YOU.>>Adrienne: STILL AHEAD ON “THE NATIONAL,” THE NEW NORMAL IN SOME CANADIAN HOSPITALS. OVERCROWDING SO BAD SOME PATIENTS ARE BEING PUT IN THE KITCHEN AND GYM AND –>>I FELT WE WERE ABANDONED.>>Andrew: THE CANADIAN FAMILIES OF THE ETHIOPIAN CRASH SAY THEY’VE BEEN FORGOTTEN CANADA’S STRONG ON FLIGHT 752 GOT A MAJOR BOOST.>>TODAY I WOULD LIKE TO ANNOUNCE THE GOVERNMENT OF CANADA WILL MATCH DONATIONS TO THIS FUND UP TO $1.5 MILLION.>>Andrew: CANADA STRONG STARTED BY A TORONTO-BASED BUSINESSMAN SO FAR RAISED $600,000. THE GOVERNMENT HAS ALREADY BEGUN DISPERSING $25,000 TO THE FAMILIES AND 29 PERMANENT RESIDENTS WHO DIED AND FACILITATING REMAINS FROM IRAN. THAT’S IMMEDIATE HELP FOR THOSE FACING IMMENSE SUFFERING BUT TEN MONTHS BEFORE THAT TRAGEDY, 18 CANADIANS DIED ON ETHIOPIAN’S AIRLINE’S FLIGHT 302. OTTAWA’S REACTION TO THAT DISASTER WAS DIFFERENT. ASHLEY BURKE SPOKE TO A FAMILY LEFT TO GRAPPLE WITH THE AFTERMATH, LARGELY ON THEIR OWN.>>Reporter: AFTER MORE THAN TEN MONTHS OF GRIEF, A LOGISTICAL NIGHTMARE AND LITTLE DEPOSIT HELP. GOVERNMENT HELP. THIS IS WHAT THE MOORES HAVE LEFT OF THEIR DAUGHTER, A BOX OF HER REMAINS AFTER THE PLANE CRASH.>>WE CAN STILL SMELL THE AVIATION OIL.>>Reporter: A STARK REMINDER OF THE CRASH THAT KILLED THEIR 24-YEAR-OLD DANIELLE ON HER WAY TO A U.N. CONFERENCE IN KENYA. THE BOEING 737 MAX 8 CRASHED SIX MINUTES AFTER TAKE-OFF AND THERE WERE NO SURVIVORS.>>YOU HAVE SO MUCH GUILT AS A PARENT. I WAS THERE TO HOLD HER HANDS ON THAT SIX MINUTES OF HORRIFIC, WAS SHE CALLING US? WAS SHE CALLING ME?>>Reporter: FAMILY OF THE 18 CANADIAN VICTIMS HAVE STRUGGLED THROUGH A LONG PROCESS.>>ALL WE’VE BEEN FACED WITH HAS BEEN ROADBLOCKS.>>Reporter: ROADBLOCKS OF TRYING TO GET A DEATH CERTIFICATE FROM ETHIOPIA. CANADA PROVIDING NOTHING BEYOND COUNCILLOR SERVICES.>>I FEEL THAT WE WERE ABANDONED. IT TAKES TEN MONTHS FOR OUR CANADIAN GOVERNMENT TO EVEN HAVE A MEETING WITH US.>>WE NEED TO BE BETTER IN TERMS OF OPENNESS AND TRANSPARENCY WITH THE FAMILIES.>>Reporter: THE GOVERNMENT SAYS IT LEARNED FROM THIS MONTH’S TRAGEDY IN IRAN AND WILL GIVE MORE HELP TO FAMILIE FAMILY.>>THE GOVERNMENT IS COMMITTED TO THAT TO GO FORWARD AND PROVIDE WHAT THE FAMILIES NEED.>>Reporter: THEY WANT TO KNOW WHAT CANADA KNEW ABOUT THE 737 BOEING MAX AIRLINER SO THEY CAN MOVE ON.>>MY LIFE IS ALL ON MARCH 3rd 3rd. WE FEEL SO ALONE. I FEEL SO ALONE AND SO LOST.>>Reporter: SO LOST THEY CAN’T BRING THEMSELVES TO OPEN THE REST OF THEIR DAUGHTER’S BELONGINGS. ASHLEY BURKE, CBC NEWS, OTTAWA.>>Andrew: THE ETHIOPIA CRASH WAS THE SECOND INVOLVING THE BOEING 737 MAX, AFTER WHICH THE PLANE WAS GROUNDED, PRODUCTION RECENTLY HALTED BUT NOW WE’RE LEARNING THAT WON’T LAST LONG. BOEING SAYS THE MAX WILL BE BACK IN PRODUCTION WITHIN MONTHS. AT LEAST ONE OF THE FATAL CRASHES WAS LINKED TO DESIGN FLAWS IN THE PLANE’S FLIGHT CONTROL SYSTEM BUT BOEING EXPECTS REGULATORS TO CLEAR THE MAX TO FLY BY THE MIDDLE OF THE YEAR.>>Adrienne: COMING UP, HARVEY WEINSTEIN WAS HER BOSS UNTIL SHE SAYS HE TRIED TO RAPE HER.>>IT WAS A PRETTY TERRIFYING EXPERIENCE.>>Adrienne: WEINSTEIN DEMANDED HER SILENCE AND FOR TWO DECADES SHE COMPLIED BUT NOW, EVEN AS HE FACES EARLIER WE SHOWED YOU THE OPENING ARGUMENTS IN THE CRIMINAL TRIAL OF HARVEY WEINSTEIN AND THIS BEGAN WITH A STORY IN THE “NEW YORK TIMES,” WOMEN ACCUSING THE MOVIE MOGUL OF SEXUAL MUSS CONDUCT. THAT WAS TWO YEARS AGO AND LAUNCHED A FORMIDABLE MOVEMENT. WEINSTEIN MIGHT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT TO TRIAL LONG BEFORE THIS IF NOT FOR HIS USE OF NONDISCLOSURE AGREEMENTS OR NDAS. THEY CAN MUZZLE ALLEGED VICTIMS AND KEEP THEIR STORIES FROM BEING TOLD. TONIGHT, ROWINA CHU TAKES A STEP OF SPEAKING OUT, A KEY STEP IN THE #METOO MOVE.>>Reporter: SHE IS FINALLY STEPPING INTO THE LIGHT. SHE WANTED TO BEFORE, BUT COULDN’T AND SHE IS STILL TAKING A CHANCE.>>Adrienne: WHAT HAPPENED THAT MADE YOU DECIDE IT’S OK TO TALK IN.>>I THINK IT’S WAS A VERY, VERY LONG JOURNEY. SO IT IS STILL FRIGHTENING, BUT I THINK AS WELL AS ILLEGAL REPERCUSSIONS, THE PERSONAL REPERCUSSIONS TO ME WERE PERSONAL AS A SILENCER. [ * ]>>Adrienne: THIS IS A WOMAN WITH A STORY OF A TIME THAT BROKE HER LIFE. DAUGHTER OF CHINESE IMMIGRANTS, GRADUATE OF OXFORD UNIVERSITY WHO FRESH OUT OF SCHOOL LANDED A DREAM JOB IN THE ’90S AT MIRAMAX AS AN ASSISTANT TO HARVEY WEINSTEIN. IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THE GREAT BEGINNING.>>Adrienne: YOU HAVBEGINNING. YOU HAVE A DREAM AND YOU MUST HAVE BEEN THRILLED.>>I WAS THRILLED AND APPRECIATED THE OPPORTUNITY TO TRAVEL AND SOME OF THE WORK WOULD FOCUS AROUND TRAVELING WITH HARVEY TO VARIOUS EUROPEAN FILM FESTIVALS. SO OVERALL, IT WAS AN EXCITING POSITION, I FELT LIKE AT A YOUNG AGE, WE WOULD HAVE A SAY AND BE INFLUENCING THE NEXT FILM THAT MIRAMAX DID. WORKING FOR HARVEY SPECIFICALLY WAS RUMOURED TO BE DIFFICULT. WE KNEW HE HAD A LEGENDARY TEMPER, AND I CERTAINLY DIDN’T GO INTO THE JOB THINKING HE’S A SERIAL RAPIST.>>Adrienne: ANY CONCRETE TIPS ABOUT HOW TO PHYSICALLY PROTECT YOURSELF FROM HIM?>>WELL, THERE HAD BEEN RUMOURS, OF COURSE, ABOUT TO WEAR MORE CLOTHES AROUND HARVEY WEINSTEIN AND I WORR WORE TWO PAIRS OF TIGHTS AND IF SOMETHING TERRIBLE WERE TO HAPPEN, IT MIGHT BUY ME SOME TIME.>>Adrienne: THAT, ACCORDING TO CHU, WAS A SADLY WISE CALL. 1998, THE VENICE FILM FESTIVAL, SHE WAS ASSIGNED NIGHT SHIFTS WITH WEINSTEIN AND ZELDA PERKINS TOOK THE EARLY SHIFT. PERKINS WARNED HER BUT THOUGHT ALL WOULD BE OK BUT IT WASN’T OK.>>THE EVENING SHIFTS WERE DIFFICULT BECAUSE I WOULD BE ALONE WITH HARVEY AND ZELDA WOULD NOT BE IN THE ROOM AND THERE WOULD BE REQUESTS FOR INAPPROPRIATE SEXUAL CONTACT DURING THAT TIME. YOU KNOW, THERE’S VERY MUCH A SENSE THAT HE WOULD COMBINE WORK THAT WE WERE DOING ON THE SCRIPTS WITH MORE PERSONAL QUESTIONS AND INAPPROPRIATE REQUESTS. ONE MINUTE ASKING ME MY VIEW ON A CERTAIN FILM SCRIPT AND WHETHER OR NOT I THOUGHT IT WAS A GREAT STORY AND HOW STRONG OF THE CHARACTERIZATION WAS AND THE NEXT MINUTE A MASSAGE.>>Adrienne: IS THE RELEVANCE TO YOUR ETHNICITY AND BACKGROUND, DID HE MAKE THAT AN ISSUE?>>HE MENTIONED HE LIKED CHINESE GIRLS BECAUSE THEY WERE DISCRETE AND THAT HE NEVER HAD A CHINESE GIRL AND HE WANTED TO TRY. THE SUBTEXT IS, REALLY, I LIKE YOUR DISCRETION, BECAUSE YOU WON’T COMPLAIN ABOUT ME, WHATEVER I DO TO YOU. IT’S A DANGEROUS SUBTEXT.>>Adrienne: CAN I ASK YOU, AND YOU DON’T HAVE TO TELL ME, BUT WHAT HAPPENED ON WHAT ARGUABLY IS THE NIGHT?>>WE TALKED A BIT ABOUT SCRIPTS. WE SPENT SOME TIME DISCUSSING, YOU KNOW, HE ENGAGED IN FLATTERY ABOUT HOW I GRADUATED WITH A DEGREE FROM OXFORD WHICH HE LIKED TO ELUDE TO, ALSO. HE ASKED ME A BIT ABOUT MY BOYFRIEND. HE ASKED ME HOW LONG WE HAD BEEN TOGETHER AND WHETHER HE WAS MY FIRST BOYFRIEND AND SO ON. SO THE CONVERSATION WENT QUICKLY. HE ASKED ME FOR A MASSAGE. HE HAD TAKEN HIS CLOTHES OFF, SO HE WAS NAKED AND REQUESTED A MASSAGE FROM ME AND I WAS RELUCTANT TO GIVE HIM. HE ASKED ME TO TAKE OFF SOME OF MY LAYERS OF CLOTHING, SAYING IT WAS WARM IN THE HOTEL ROOM OR I WOULD FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE TAKING OFF MORE CLOTHES. IN THAT WAY, IT WAS INSIDUOUS IN ASKING FOR MORE OVERT SEXUAL FAVOURS AND FROM THERE, IT LEAD TO HIM PINNING ME AGAINST THE BED AND ASKING FOR JUST ONE THRUST AND SAYING JUST ONE THRUST AND IT WILL ALL BE OVER.>>Adrienne: YOUR HEAD MUST HAVE BEEN SWIRLING.>>IT WAS A PRETTY TERRIBLE EXPERIENCE.>>Adrienne: AT THE FIRST CHANCE SHE DESCRIBES A PERSONAL WORD WITH ZELDA PERKINS TO TELL HER WHAT HAPPENED.>>WE BOTH CRIED. ZELDA CONFRONTED HARVEY RIGHT AWAY WHICH WAS HARD TO DO. I DON’T THINK MOST PEOPLE AT HER AGE IN HER POSITION WOULD HAVE THE COURAGE TO DO WHAT SHE DID WHEN HE WAS WITH HIGH PROFILE PEOPLE.>>Adrienne: THE WOMEN HAD A PLAN. BACK IN LONDON, THEY WOULD SOUND THE ALARM WITH THE COMPANY, HOPING WEINSTEIN WOULD BE REBUKED AND HOPED TO UNDERGO COUNSELING AND MAYBE RULES PUT IN PLACE FOR WOMEN, BUT THEY SAY THE LAWYERS WERE JUST INTERESTED IN SOMETHING DIFFERENT, COMPENSATION FOR SILENCE. THE NONDISCLOSURE AGREEMENT THEY SIGNED HAUNTS THEM STILL. HOW WOULD YOU CHARACTERIZE THE SILENCE THEY WERE SEEKING? LIKE, HOW SWEEPING WAS IT?>>ABSOLUTE, ABSOLUTE. WE WERE TOLD THAT THIS PERIOD OF OUR LIVES WOULD HAVE TO BE CONSIDERED A BLACK HOLE. WE COULD IN THE LIGHTEST PERSONAL TERMS REFER TO THE FACT WE WORKED FOR HARVEY WEINSTEIN OR WHAT HAPPENED SUBSEQUENT TO THE WORK OR THERE WAS ANY SETTLEMENT MONEY AND NONE OF THAT WAS TO BE REFERRED TO. IN FACT, IT FELT SO ONEROUS THAT ZELDA AND I IMPLICITLY MADE A PACT WE WOULDN’T SPEAK TO ONE ANOTHER AND DIDN’T AFTER THE JOURNEY IN THE TAXI AWAY FROM THE LAWFIRM ONCE WE SIGNED IT. THE NEXT TIME I HEARD FROM ZELDA WAS OCTOBER OF 2017 AND WE SIGNED THAT IN OCTOBER OF 1998.>>Adrienne: SO ALMOST 20 YEARS.>>19 YEARS TO THE MONTH WE HAD NOT SPOKEN TO ONE ANOTHER.>>Adrienne: DID YOU KNOW WHEN YOU PARTED IN THAT TAXI YOU WOULDN’T TALK?>>I THINK THERE WAS A CLEAR SENSE WE WOULDN’T REMAIN IN EACH OTHER’S LIVES BECAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT HOW DIFFICULT IT WAS NOT TO REFER TO THE PERIOD OF OUR LIVES.>>Adrienne: BUT WHAT’S IT LIKE TO LOSE THE ONE PERSON WHO STOOD BESIDE YOU THE WHOLE TIME?>>I THINK IT WAS INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT. BUT NOT JUST THAT I HAD LOST THE ONLY COLLEAGUE I COULD TALK TO ABOUT IT, BUT AN INABILITY TO SPEAK TO ANYONE IN MY PERSONAL LIFE ABOUT A QUITE TRAUMATIC EVENT MEANT, REALLY, IT WASN’T POSSIBLE TO PROCESS IT.>>Adrienne: I’M WONDERING HOW MUCH A SECRET LIKE THIS WEIGHS?>>CLEARLY A GREAT DEAL BECAUSE I FOUND IT AN IMPOSSIBLE BURDEN TO BEAR, REALLY, AND CAME TO A POINT WHERE I TRIED TO KILL MYSELF A COUPLE OF TIMES. AND I REALLY FELT I WAS NEVER GOING TO GET AWAY FROM THE SECRET.>>Adrienne: YOU ARE CALM, ALMOST MATTER OF FACT ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED. WHERE DOES THAT CALM COME FROM?>>YOU KNOW, I THINK BEING BRITISH AND BEING CHINESE, IT MEANS THAT I’M NOT NECESSARILY TOO TRANSPARENT. BUT I THINK THAT SOUNDING CALM DOESN’T NECESSARILY MEAN IT WASN’T A FRIGHTENING EXPERIENCE.>>Adrienne: SO WAS THE SCREAMING INSIDE YOUR HEAD?>>THERE IS SCREAMING INSIDE MY HEAD FROM AT THE TIME OF THE ASSAULT, ABSOLUTELY. I STILL FEEL POWERLESS. POWERLESS, ZELDA AND I IN OUR MID40S AND NO REMEDY IN THE LEGAL WORLD AND WHO KNOWS WHAT WILL HAPPEN WITH THE CRIMINAL TRIAL. BUT TELLING A STORY IN THE MEDIA PUBLICALLY ISN’T NECESSARILY AN EASY FIX TO EVERYTHING THAT HAS TAKEN PLACE.>>Adrienne: TIME, THE EFFORT OF JOURNALISTS TO FIND THEM, THE LAUNCH OF THE #METOO MOVEMENT, ALL OF THIS COLLIDED THE TWO WOMEN BACK TOGETHER AGAIN.>>ZELDA PERKINS!>>I LIKE TO THINK ZELDA AND ROWINA ARE HERE TONIGHT.>>Adrienne: THEY FOUND THEIR VOICE, BOTH CHOOSING TO BREAK THE ENDING. IT ALL MIGHT INTIMIDATE SOME BACK INTO THE SHADOWS, BUT NOT ROWINA CHU, NOT ANY MORE. HOW DID HARVEY WEINSTEIN RESPOND TO TELLING YOUR STORY?>>HIS LAWYER ISSUED A STATEMENT SAYING THAT HARVEY WEINSTEIN AND I ENGAGED IN A SIX-MONTH PHYSICAL CONCENSUAL RELATIONSHIP AND HARVEY WAS LOOKING FOR WAYS TO TAKE LEGAL ACTION AGAINST ME FOR BREAKING MY MDA.>>Adrienne: IS IT WORTH IT FOR YOU?>>WE’LL SEE. I’M ON A LONG JOURNEY AND I’M ENCOURAGED BY THE VOICES THAT LIFT ME UP FROM OTHER VICTIMS BUT ALSO FROM PEOPLE WHO FEEL LIKE I IN SOME WAY SPEAK FOR THEM. I WON’T KNOW THE LONG-TERM REPERCUSSIONS OF SPEAKING OUT FOR A LONG TIME TO COME. BUT I HAVE NO REGRETS.>>Adrienne: IT’S WONDERFUL TO ME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND APPRECIATE THAT.>>THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.>>Adrienne: WE ASKED WEINSTEIN’S LAWYERS TO RESPOND TO THESE ALLEGATIONS AND FINALLY RECEIVED THIS STATEMENT FROM HIS PUBLIC RELATION’S COMPANY, QUOTE, NEITHER Mr. WEINSTEIN OR HIS REPRESENTATIVES WILL BE MAKING MY COMMENTS ON THESE MATTERS. I HOPE YOU CAN REMAIN OBJECTIVE.>>Andrew: UP NEXT, HOSPITALS SO BUSY, SO CROWDED THAT PATIENTS ARE BEING TREATED IN UNUSUAL PLACES.>>THIS IS A PANTRY, USED TO HAVE A FRIDGE AND ICEMAKER AND THIS IS NOT THE OPTIMAL CASE TO PROVIDE CARE.>>Andrew: NOT JUST DURING FLU SEASON, THE RIPPLE EFFECT A BIT OF HOSPITAL OVERCROWDING DURING FLU SEASON IS NOTHING NEW BUT A CBC NEWS INVESTIGATION REVEALED, IN FACT, SO-CALLED HALLWAY MEDICINES IS HAPPENING.>>Reporter: THIS USED TO BE AN EXERCISE GYM AND NOW IT’S A MAKE-SHIFT HOSPITAL WARD WITH NO BATHROOM, LITTLE PRIVACY AND BEDS SEPARATED BY PORTABLE SCREENS.>>I’LL CHECK YOUR OXYGEN AND EVERYTHING WHILE I’M HERE.>>Reporter: THIS IS A 500-BED HOSPITAL IN NEWMARKET AND AFFECTS PATIENTS THE MOMENT THEY ARRIVE.>>I STAYED IN EMERGENCY FOR ALMOST TWO DAYS, I GUESS, UNTIL THEY FINALLY GOT ME, WHAT YOU SEE HERE, THESE LOVELY ACCOMMODATIONS.>>Reporter: NEW DATA OBTAINED BY CBC NEWS SHOWS THIS IS NOT JUST CONFINED TO THE TORONTO AREA. FROM JANUARY TO JUNE LAST YEAR, ALL THESE HOSPITALS WERE FILLED BEYOND CAPACITY EVERYDAY.>>WE ARE WARNING SIGNS ALL OVER THE PROVINCE AND THE SITUATION IS NOT VIABLE.>>Reporter: IT’S FORCING HOSPITALS TO PUT BEDS IN ALL KINDS OF SPOTS. THIS WILL SOON BE A PATIENT ROOM.>>WE DON’T HAVE THE SAME ACCESS TO THE EQUIPMENT AS YOU WOULD ON A SET-UP, ACUTE MEDICAL FLOOR.>>Reporter: NO ONE LIKES IT THIS WAY, FROM THE NURSES TO THE CEO.>>WHEN I SEE PATIENTS IN AREAS SUCH AS OUR GYM, I THINK HOW WOULD I FEEL IF THAT WAS MY DAD IN THAT BED AND I WOULDN’T FEEL THAT GOOD ABOUT IT?>>Reporter: ANOTHER HOSPITAL ALSO NEAR TORONTO, WEEKDAY AFTERNOONS ARE QUIET IN THE ER BUT STILL, THERE ARE PATIENTS IN THE HALL AND BESIDE THE NURSING STATION.>>FOR STAFF WHO WORK IN THIS ENVIRONMENT, THEY WOULD DESCRIBE THIS AS CONSTANTLY WORKING UNDER CRISIS.>>Reporter: THE HOSPITAL PUT BEDS IN THIS MEETING ROOM AND TEN PATIENTS SHARE ONE WASHROOM WITH NO SHOWER. THEY PLAN TO END THIS.>>THERE’S NO SOLUTION TO CHANGE IT AND A LOT OF ACTION TO BE TAKEN AND WE ARE DOING THAT.>>Reporter: ONE OF THE BIG CAUSES OF OVERCROWDING, ABOUT 1-6 HOSPITAL BEDS IS OCCUPIED BY A PATIENT WHO DOESN’T NEED ACUTE CARE. THEY’RE MOSTLY WAITING FOR SPACE IN LONG-TERM CARE, SOMETHING IN SHORT SUPPLY FOR ONTARIO’S GROWING AND AGING POPULATION. MIKE CRAWLEY, CBC NEWS, NEWMARKET, ONTARIO.>>Adrienne: A PLEA THAT TRIGGERED A MILITARY RESPONSE. HOW A St. JOHN’S BOY HOUSEBOUND FROM THE LIKE SO MANY OTHERS IN NEWFOUNDLAND, MATTHEW SHARP REALLY WANTED TO HELP OUT AFTER THE BLIZZARD BUT THE 7-YEAR-OLD LIVES WITH CEREBRAL PALSY AND HIS MOM WORRIED THAT SO MUCH SNOW MIGHT JUST NOT BE SAFE FOR HIM. SO MATTHEW WANTED TO GET OUT THERE TO HELP THE SOLDIERS HE SAW SHOVELING. INSTEAD, A SURPRISE AT HIS FRONT DOOR. THEY CAME TO HIM AND THAT’S OUR “MOMENT.”>>WELL, MATTHEW HAS CEREBRAL PALSY AND HE CAN’T WALK AND THEN HE SEEN THE MILITARY. HE SAID, MOMMY, MY HEART IS BROKEN. I WANT TO GO OUT AND HELP. HE CALLS IT THE WAR PEOPLE. AND HE LOOKED AT ME AND HE SAID, MOMMY, CAN THE MILITARY COME AND HELP ME. IT WAS THE FIRST TIME I TOOK TO FACEBOOK FOR ANY HELP AND THEY KNOCKED AT THE DOOR AND MATTHEW WAS, LIKE, MOMMY, WHO IS IT?>>SO, YEAH, QUITE THE REACTION FROM THE LITTLE BOY. I’M GETTING ALL CHOKED UP, I GUESS. IT WAS NICE TO SEE SUCH ENTHUSIASM AND SO APPRECIATIVE OF WHAT EVERYONE IS DOING AND HOW EVERYONE IS WORKING TOGETHER AND BEING SO HELPFUL AND I’M HAPPY TO BE INVOLVED WITH IT AND SEE THE SMILE IN THE LITTLE BOY’S FACE WHEN WE SHOWED UP.>>YOU COULDN’T UNDERSTAND HIM. HE WAS THAT EXCITED. I DIDN’T EXPECT THIS TODAY.>>Adrienne: YOU KNOW, MATTHEW, FIRSTLY, GOOD FOR YOU FOR WANTING TO HELP. YOU’RE A GREAT NEWFOUNDLANDER, GREAT CANADIAN. HIS MOM, MATTHEW’S MOM, LISA, SAYS HE’S VERY, VERY SHY BUT AS SOON AS THE SOLDIERS SHOWED UP, THEY REALLY TOOK TO HIM AND HE TOOK TO THEM.>>Andrew: THEY GAVE HIM A BIG HUG. THE SAD THING IS THEY COULDN’T STAY FOR LONG. THEY HAVE WORK TO DO AND GET BACK OUT THERE AND HEY, MAYBE WE’LL BE BACK IN THE SPRING AND OFFERED HIM A RIDE IN THEIR TRUCK AND THAT WILL BE PART TWO OF THE VISIT AND MAYBE WE’LL DO ANOTHER “MOMENT” THAT DAY.>>Adrienne: I WOULD LIKE THAT.>>Andrew: THAT’S “THE NATIONAL” FOR THIS JANUARY 22nd GOODNIGHT.>>Adrienne: GOODNIGHT.
You wanted everything and I gave you everything but my everything was too much for you because my everything is late night I love you’s, and drive safely’s, and text me when you get home’s my everything is future plans, and kept promises, and never being able to hold you long enough the past wrapped up in pretty packages, because memories are priceless and also because I can’t afford anything else my everything is not caring that you always left the toilet seat up, and the towel on the floor and the jeans right next to the clothes basket my everything is making dinner and doing the dishes too because you had a long day, and so did I but my watch stopped working when I met you. my everything is meteor showers on car hoods and sweet notes hidden under windshield wipers and words that wouldn’t exist if you didn’t exist But the thing about my everything is that it’s all or nothing And my everything is also… being on a first name basis with my doctors my everything is hospital visits, and blood tests, and moderately gross side effects from various medications to counter the moderately gross symptoms from my various conditions my everything is sometimes not being able to get out of bed which you only ever seemed to mind when my clothes were on. my everything is a pink slip. convincing myself that shining scars are just permanent reminder that things are better than they were when things were worse. my everything is a paternal ghost whose voice I can’t remember even though it used to sing me to sleep. my everything is a long list of diagnoses you can’t pronounce and a house full of mobility aids that were marketed toward grandmothers my everything is knowing I will never get to be a grandmother you wanted everything and I gave you everything but my everything was too much for you so you chose nothing instead and it hurt, but more than anything I was jealous that you were able to choose nothing over my everything… because my everything is too much for me, too. This poem is a sample from my new book entitled ‘I Loved You Once’ It will be live on Amazon – October 12th for $1.99 but it is available from now until then for pre-order for only .99 cents If you would like to see more videos like this, and also videos not like this, please consider supporting my Patreon page Feel free to follow me on all the things If you enjoyed this video you might just wanna subscribe, hit the like button, maybe That’s up to you I’m not gonna force you to do that But, you know, it’s a thing that you could do if you wanted to do that thing Thank you for watching, my Chronically Awesome friends! I will see you all next time, but until then and always, take care!
in December 2019
there was a cluster of pneumonia cases in China investigations found that it
was caused by a previously unknown virus now named the 2019 novel coronavirus in
this video we’ll take a quick look at what’s currently known about the virus
keep in mind that this is a new virus and what’s known about the virus now
might change in the future corona viruses are a large group of
viruses they consist of a core of genetic material surrounded by an
envelope with protein spikes this gives it the appearance of a crown crown in
Latin is called Corona and that’s how these viruses get their name there are
different types of corona viruses that cause a number of human diseases such as
respiratory and sometimes gastrointestinal disease the respiratory
disease can range from the common cold to pneumonia and in most people the
symptoms tend to be mild however there are some types of corona viruses that
can cause severe disease these include the severe acute respiratory syndrome
coronavirus in China in 2003 and the Middle East respiratory syndrome
coronavirus that was first identified in Saudi
Arabia in 2012 the 2019 novel coronavirus was first identified in
China it initially occurred in a group of people with pneumonia who’d been
associated with a seafood market in the city of Wuhan the disease has since
spread from those who were sick to others including family members and
healthcare staff there are hundreds of cases at present and the disease has
spread within China and also to a number of other countries so where did the
virus come from it’s known that corona viruses circulate in a range of animals
sometimes these viruses can make the jump from animals to humans this is
called a spillover and could be due to a range of factors such as mutations in
the virus or increased contact between humans and animals for example MERSCoV
is known to be transmitted from camels and SARSCo V from civet cats. the
animal reservoir of the 2019 novel coronavirus is not known yet. How is it
transmitted? the exact dynamics of how the virus is transmitted
is yet to be determined, in general respiratory viruses are usually
transmitted through droplets created when an infected person coughs or
sneezes or through something that has been contaminated with the virus so how
does the disease present? Well, from what is known so far there can be a number of
symptoms ranging from mild to severe there can be fever and respiratory
symptoms such as coughing shortness of breath. In more severe cases, there’s been
pneumonia kidney failure and death. The mortality rate is not known yet how can
we tell whether someone is infected the infection can be diagnosed by a test
called PCR or polymerase chain reaction this test identifies the virus based on
its genetic fingerprint there is currently no specific medication for the
virus and treatment is supportive care there’s currently no vaccine to protect
against the virus. How do we prevent transmission of the virus? This new virus
currently has a limited geographic spread, however there are a number of
standard hygiene practices that have been recommended to protect against
infection and further spread. These include washing hands, regularly covering
your mouth and nose after coughing or sneezing ,avoiding close contact with
those who are unwell the appropriate use of masks and personal protective
equipment, especially in a healthcare setting. Actions that can be taken to
prevent infection from an animal source include avoiding unnecessary contact
with animals washing hands after contact with animals or animal products and
ensuring that animal products are cooked thoroughly before they’re consumed.
That’s a quick look at this emerging infectious disease. Given that this
outbreak is evolving rapidly what’s known about this virus can change,
please check the websites below for the most up-to-date information
Drug discovery is a multi-national,
multi-billion, multi-decade process and we are just one lab working across the world helping to solve inflammatory disorders. Our research is on
understanding inflammation and the macromolecules that initiate
inflammation. In the early part of drug discovery or understanding inflammation, we’d like to approach it from a reductionist approach. So we want to know how does something function, so we first will reveal the structure of the
macromolecules and then we can see how it makes the inflammatory molecules. And then we might have the ability to even stop its production via drugs. Our research here at LSU is amazing, because I’ve currently worked with five
undergraduate students to help me do my research. I’m training your future scientists, your future physicians, your future teachers on how to do basic research and they’re contributing to a very difficult problem. I actually really love it. It’s my favorite thing about coming to school every day. I want to be a physician and so I’m really like maximizing this time I get to spend in
the lab, because not only has it been a very unique experience, but I really
think that it is preparing me to be a better physician, because I’m able to
critically think better, to understand how drugs are researched and what
research is like where medicine comes from. Here at CAMD (Center for Advanced Microstructures), we’re off campus but we are part of LSU. We often have high school students, other
medical professionals come out and just learn a little bit more about how basic
research is done. This particular process of inflammation
is very important to all families. It’s important in that most people
we’ll end up getting heart disease or cancer or neurodegenerative disease
later in life, so it could help ameliorate some of those diseases. ♪♪
Thank you. Wonderful. Hello. How are you? It is so good to have you here. This is a community forum so we are going to involve you along the way. None of this 10 minutes at the end business. You are part of this conversation. And I really do believe that events like this are fundamental to shifting the stigma. One in five of us in Australia in the past year have taken time off work because of mental health challenges Work is so vital isn’t it? It’s so crucial. It’s a big part of who we are. We pour a lot of energy into it. If we’re lucky to have paid work, it helps pay for our rent, our mortgages. Put food on the table. But it’s also about giving us meaning and purpose in life. It’s vital. There is an expectation at work that somehow we’re going to be 100% on the game every working hour and that’s just not realistic. We’re human! So when we’re stressed or anxious or depressed, work doesn’t really feel like a safe or inclusive or welcoming environment. So instead we worry about what our boss might think if we did say that we’re feeling unwell or not up to scratch. We worry about losing face We worry about losing our job. We worry about not getting a promotion the next time we want to go for one. All those anxieties come up. And sometimes workplaces handle these things incredibly poorly and punitively. Others are quite enlightened on it and we’re going to meet a couple of employers who’ve really walked this path and thought carefully about how they engage with these themes at work. And apparently there’s now $200 million dollars spent on compensation claims that are mental health related each year in Australia. That’s an extraordinary figure isn’t it. And it raises profound questions for me about are we actually navigating mental health and mental illness in the workplace very well at all. I suspect not if it’s landing in a compensation claims process. So let me welcome without further ado our special guests on the panel today, please welcome Dr Sam Harvey. He is a consultant psychiatrist. And Associate Professor in workplace mental health at the University of New South Wales. He’s a research fellow at the Black Dog Institute He helped establish the Mentally Healthy Workplace Alliance. We have Rachel Clements, please come on out. Rachel is working with workplaces all the time. She’s an organisational psychologist. She’s Director of Psychological Services at the Centre for Corporate Health and also Resilia. And she specialises in helping individuals and organisations really increase their emotional resilience and manage mental health issues in the workplace. We also have John Canning. John is a partner in a major law firm in Sydney. He’s become a very effective, strong spokesperson based on his own experience of mental illness in his case, bipolar disorder. And he’s a community presenter with the Black Dog Institute. So he’s decided to really take it public, his own experiences, and it’s been a fantastic thing. We also have Megan Kingham. Welcome. Manager of health and wellbeing at Optus. So a big corporation navigating mental health issues. Hey welcome. It’s great to have you here. John, let me start with you. A partner in a law firm. I mean… for a start, law. High pressure. A lot of bravado in that profession. A lot of macho, yeah. A lot of macho. How often do mental health conversations get had in the legal setting, traditionally? They’re starting to be had more often. The conversations now are sort of wrapped up in part of our caring for people, and treating people well. And it’s just for my sort of experience, what I found was that, if people – if you speak to people, people actually do care. That’s the sort of bottom line for me. And also the younger generation are a lot more adept at having these conversations. I think they’re better educated. For us old fogies, over 50s, it is a bit difficult. You know, I come from country Queensland. I grew up in the eighties in Queensland. That was not a place where you spoke about a lot of things including mental health. Take us back to when you really started having a problem. When you realised in yourself that things were going astray. At the end of 2007, I worked long hours and did something for clients, a matter for clients. And that worked out really well. Everyone was happy. But then I went home for Christmas and I wasn’t feeling great. I lived a sort of split life. My wife and children lived in the Blue Mountains we thought that would be a good thing to do. I had a flat in the city and I remember staying in there for two weeks just staying in bed, crying, not eating I’d go out, down to the local IGA, get a few bits now and again but at night, and I didn’t want to see anyone. And um, I slept a lot, I cried a lot. And then… that went on for a few months and then my wife went on the Black Dog Institute website and scored me, I think it was 32 out of 33 on the test for bipolar and said ‘you ought to do this’ and I scored 33 out of 33. I thought ‘hello, something’s up!’ So it was a combination of my wife and I working out what went on. Let me come to Mark Jacobson in the audience. With you is your partner Alex. Thanks so much for being here. – So Mark, you work with Sydney Water.
– Yes. – And I bet you can relate somewhat to what
– 100 per cent. Everything. So take us back to why you’re here today and why you’ve decided to speak about your experiences publicly. Um, roughly probably 2012, I went to work one morning and as the morning went on, what I know it as now as anxiety and panic had set in that morning. And I had no idea what was going on. I didn’t know if I was dying or what was going on. It was actually a manager of mine that approached me and asked if I was ok. His wife is actually a psychologist and he was quite understanding. He sort of calmed me down and suggested that I seek help about it. And we’ve landed you thick right in the middle of the most traumatic experience. And we should just establish what is the work that you do. You’re a hydrologist – – Yeah, for Sydney Water I’m a hydrologist and I’ve been working as a hydrologist with Sydney Water for six years, a little bit – six and a half years now. So did the anxiety feel like, that day, that it came out of nowhere? Yeah it did. And I’m a big coffee drinker and it was that morning that it was coffee after coffee and I later found out that that helped bring it on because it hypes you up a bit. But I wasn’t sure what was going on, you know, I couldn’t stop pacing, I couldn’t sit still. I just… had no way out of it. It was…. now I look back on it that my manager sort of stopped me and calmed me down and suggested I see a doctor. Yeah, so that’s an interesting conversation that they initiated with you. Yep. Because I didn’t know how to present to him. I didn’t want to be at work that morning, I didn’t want to be around anyone. All I wanted to do was just sit in bed and not see anyone, lock myself away. And try and figure out what was going on. So I had no idea how so how I was sort of going to suggest that to him so it was fantastic that he sort of spotted the signs and suggested that I seek help and take the time that I needed to sort myself out with that. Cause it’s just not the sort of conversation we’re used to having with our supervisors or managers is it.
– Not at all. And Alex has been phenomenal, hasn’t she? Yeah, absolutely. She’s my rock. I often said to her that, in the beginning, if I didn’t have her there to sort of guide me through, I didn’t know where I would be, and that was completely honest. She was pivotal in helping me get back on my feet and that was where I came across Mates in Construction. And just wanted to get involved. – And talk about it publicly.
– Yeah. Which is a whole other step to take isn’t it. Of course. So beyond that moment of anxiety did you manage to work out the dimensions of what you were feeling? Of what was going on for you? Not at all. It was just sort of little darting thoughts that just snowball and roll and roll and roll into something so big that you just can’t control it. And that was where I thought I just wanted to shelter away from everyone. And that leads to other things. I was embarrassed about going back to work because I wondered what people would think of me and what was going on and what not. So taking the first step in getting help was lifesaving. And we’ll talk a bit later about what your supervisor and your colleagues put in place. If there are any experiences you’d like to share as we go pop your hand up. Yes please. Hi. My name is Lyndsay. I work for Corrective Services NSW. I used to be a prison officer. Tough work environment, tough work environment. I’ve had depression and anxiety for a long time and I’ve had a suicide attempt. I had a… in the last 12 months it’s escalated and I’ve had two significant breakdowns at work. And I’ve been on stress leave twice. I went on a holiday to try and get away from it all to Thailand, and when I come back I had a discussion with my senior director about it saying, you know, ‘I’m pretty well stuffed, I’m pretty well going to jump off the cliff.’ It’s interesting you took these feelings of what was going on for you to your manager. How did that conversation go? Initially I thought it was going quite good. Unbeknownst to me, he was getting quite upset about it. So what happened was… and I’m talking about senior staff here. I raised this issue that I had major concerns about the way I was being managed, and I wasn’t coping, in September and I took that all the way to Assistant Commissioner level and I have yet to get a response. – Yeah.
– And that was in September. So by December I erupted. My immediate manager was pushing buttons like you wouldn’t believe So didn’t take your experience and think, well what role can I play to help you, necessarily. He had a major – I see him as being a major catalyst. By this stage I’d upped my Zoloft to about 800mg – So what could – just to keep the conversation going, and I really appreciate you sharing that experience and it sounds like you’re kind of in the thick of it – but what would have made a difference in that conversation that you had with your manager? – Support.
– So support, thank you. I think that’s a really good anchor. Support. Let me come to our panel. Rachel and Sam, there’s so many variables to this, aren’t there? Sam why do we find it such difficult terrain in the workplace, mental health? What are the things that we can get confused about in terms of our dynamics, our self, at work? I think it is, look – I think we increasingly understand that it’s more confusing than we at first realised. And I think part of that is because where we began the conversation around work and health was when they were simple problems like dust in the mine, or things like that. And it was a nice simple thing. You measure how much dust there is, you get rid of the dust, people don’t get sick. And I think we tried to take that paradigm into mental health in the workplace and I think that’s got us into a muddle which I think we’re now getting out of. Because it is complicated For most people, being at work is a really good thing for their mental health. And we know if we look at what happens to people’s mental health when they lose their job, that shows just how important it is. But I think because it has such a key role in ourselves and our self identity and what we do with our waking hours, if things aren’t right there, then that can have a real impact on us in a negative way. And I think increasingly we also realise that if we want to pick up when people are becoming unwell, the workplace is an ideal place to do that. And I think we heard that from Mark’s story. You know what struck me is even though those stories are sort of similar to a lot of other stories I hear from workers who’ve become unwell, what I think is surprising – particularly about the first two – is how quickly people were able to get diagnoses and help. And I appreciate at the time that wouldn’t have felt fast, that period of a few months, but actually, we regularly in a clinical setting will see people that have been unwell for much longer periods of time. and haven’t been able to link into help. And I think you guys explained very well why that is. Because the very symptoms you’re having make it hard to ask for help. – So that’s when it takes other people.
– Yeah. – And a workplace is a community of people, at it’s best. And we do a lot of work around mental health in the community but I think actually the workplace is a really untapped resource that we haven’t utilised as a place to try and reach out to people and to try and help people recover. But I think we are beginning to do that much better now. Isn’t that a great way of thinking about the workplace? As a resource for improving mental health. Hurrah! Can we get there? Rachel, as you were listening to the stories so far, – you’re working with employers, with managers
– yep – with corporations, all sorts of workplaces in all sorts of professions. I mean are there particular dynamics in a workplace that you see over and over again – that if only they were tweaked, if only they were changed,
– Yeah The outcomes could have been so different. Yeah, and I think that points to that very critical role of supportive leadership. And we know that a big aspect of our positive wellbeing when we’re at work and things are going well, is very much contributed by our immediate leader or line manager’s management style. And they’ve gone away and done a lot of research and worked out what is the biggest predictive factor of positive wellbeing in the workplace? And the number one is supportive leadership. And that goes to show in terms of that, if there was just that support shown at that time, not only can supportive leadership prevent people from becoming unwell, it can actually also really assist people in the recovery process. And people will recover a lot faster if they know they’ve got a supportive leader, and a supportive team around them as well. – Sam.
– I was just going to add to that. I think one of the things, there are some managers that are just, that are naturally good at this type of thing. And I think we heard an example of that in that story. But not everyone is. And I think what we are beginning to learn is that we can teach people a certain amount of skills that gets them up to the required standard where they’re being a help not a hindrance. I think most managers know what they would like to do. I think it’s more a question of confidence of having those really difficult conversations. I think we’ve got evidence now that we can show that we can change that. But also I wonder whether as employers, there’s a fine line where you go, well, I don’t want to intrude in someone’s private matters. Their mental health is surely their private affair. What you don’t want is your manager at work being some lay therapist, who suddenly is asking you about other things. I think the point is, there’s a role that managers have in being supportive, and that’s a key part of a manager’s role, and I think part of what we need to teach managers how to be a good manager, is how to know what their role is. Yes because just to be devil’s advocate, Rachel, we come to our workplaces with a history.
– Of course. Family trauma, maybe a history of anxiety, our individual coping styles, our individual resilience or not as the case may be. – Is it the responsibility of a workplace to engage with any of that? Given that it’s of you? Well I think historically it was very much, 10 or 15 years ago, it was very separate. Work and personal life were completely separate. Whereas now it’s not so. And we know now the work health and safety legislation that came into effect particularly around 2012 and that goes to show, if you are observing that someone is not travelling so well, regardless of causation, doesn’t matter. If someone’s not travelling so well because of a work related issue, or if they’re not travelling so well at work because of a personal issue, or if they’re not traveling so well at work because of a pre-existing mental health condition, the legislation now is in place to say if you are observing someone’s not traveling so well, you are under a legal obligation to ‘asses the risk’, which means go and initiate a conversation with someone about the cause, what’s going on, how can we help, and how can we assist and support. And then be able to put in a management plan for them. So I think we’ve seen a shift in that space, particularly since that legislation came about, in employers being a lot more proactive because now there’s legislation to support that. But I still do see a lot of anxiety in workplaces around having the conversation, and I do think it’s often because, in a lot of jobs, managers are in that role of trouble-shooting problem solving, dealing with something, putting a plan in place and making it all ok again. And I think it managers go into conversations around wellbeing and mental health with that same perspective and mentality, of course they’re going to be anxious. Because they don’t have the answers, it’s not their role to fix it. It’s not their role to be able to be that person’s main source of support. – Megan from Optus, you’re nodding your head at intervals here.
– I am. What would you like to pipe in about? Cause you’re an organisation…. you run a healthy minds initiative inside Optus to really try and engage your workforce with a whole range of different questions about mental health at work. And when we started looking at this a couple of years ago we, like a lot of organisations, we realised we had to do something. But we didn’t quite know what. Um, and so we started. And one of the things that very much came out early in our research was – Just, I’ll pause on that. Why did you realise you had to do something? – What was happening in your workplace?
– The community expects it. I mean there’s a change in legislation, certainly, but community expectations. So when… And I mean our employees come from the community. And so there’s a lot of talk in the community about mental health. I mean obviously in a big corporation you know the tradition might be – they give you a gym membership discount
– and a flu shot. – A flu shot. That’s called health and wellbeing in the workplace.
– Yes, it was. Why did you want to dig deeper? Well because there’s more to life than that. And as those barriers between work and life break down with flexible work, technology etcetera, of course you know work is impacting on people’s personal life. So we shouldn’t be surprised when the reverse happens. And this is what we need to deal with as an employer. We want to keep people, we want to keep good people, and mental health issues were getting in the way of that because nobody quite knew what to do about it. And the leadership conversations were the things that came up as most important. And as Sam said, leaders, managers, they want to do the right thing. They want to be supportive, but often are terrified. Don’t want to make the situation worse. – Sam.
– Can I add one other dimension to it? And this might be a slightly unfair question Megan. But there’s the legal responsibility, and there’s the ethical wanting to do the right thing. I assume within an organisation increasingly there’s also a financial imperative to do this because it just makes good economic sense to stop people getting unwell. And to minimise the harm when they get unwell. Absolutely. And so early intervention and recognising those signs Because in the past people have just gone off on sick leave for months and months. And then somebody says, ‘Oh, I wonder what’s going on there?’ And it’s too late often then. And then… or it comes up in a performance management discussion. And sometimes that can be too late too. So what we want to do is to get discussions going around mental health as part of everyday work. Whether you’re talking to a colleague or whether you’re talking to someone who works in your team. So it comes up in a performance management discussion. I’ll be really interested to hear if that’s been your experience in a workplace. That somehow, you’re experience of mental health or illness or ill health, has somehow got mixed up with the complications of performance management. Very delicate. I’ll come to you in a tick. We’ve got Pam Rutledge who’s actually from Richmond PRA. And they… you work with people who are having an enduring, chronic experience of mental illness, don’t you? This is a kind of wrap-around service that supports them in all aspects of their life. Yes, thanks Natasha. The point I’d really like to pick up on however is as an employer, and we employ about 600 people, we are a mental health service organisation but we decided that, um, in that context with our focus on the value of lived experience, to inform and drive the work that we do, we needed to be an employer that walked the talk. And so we committed in 2012 to achieve a target of at least half of our workforce, our total workforce, being people who identify with a lived experience of mental health issue by 2017. And at the latest count we’re at 49.2 [per cent]. Can we just give them a round of applause please? How fantastic is that! – It becomes part of the selection criteria.
– Yes it is. And we have an affirmative action approach so that we actually, where we have two people applying for any job in the organisation, and one of them is a person who identifies as having a lived experience, they get a preference under affirmative action policy. And so a lot of the conversation is about how to have that…. how to be open about the conversation, about the fact that mental health issues do impact on the way we do our work, just as a family issue does, just as managing or working, having a sick child, or an ageing parent that we should be able to embrace in the workplace how we can have these open honest conversations. So our approach is to make it something that is talked about very early on, and so we encourage any of our employees to do with their manager a personal situation plan that identifies what might happen for them in the workplace, what their triggers might be, what things could occur – that might make it difficult
– ok and so that means if something does happen, um the manager can have a conversation ‘Hey I’ve noticed that…’ or ‘I’m observing that…’ and, you know, we’ve got our plan, you know is it time to talk about how we can help you? And so we’re trying to get the conversation happening in a really open way. And it’s not perfect of course, we’re not 100% there. But trying to turn it around so that it is – part of normalised work experience.
– Great, thanks Pam. I’ll just come to…. we had another question here. Hello there, oh yes I know your face, hi. – You do. This isn’t a question. My name is Judy, and I’ve had a lived experience of mental disorder for 50 years. I’m also a carer of two daughters who have mental disorder. We belong to Schizophrenia Fellowship and we’ve been trained by Schizophrenia Fellowship in a program called re.mind. And I’ve been doing it now for about 15 to 16 years, where we go out into the workplace and share our experiences. So do you have a sense when you’re in a workplace sharing your own story – Do you have a sense of the impact of that?
– Oh I know very well. – Tell us about the impact.
– Well, ah, we were told at a conference last year by a psychiatrist from America who said, if you want to do anything to help mental health and mental awareness and reduce stigma, you just have to come out. And be prepared to share it and talk about it. And that way you get empathy and understanding from people. – So…
– Can I say..
– Yes, Sam. And what you described fits with everything we’re learning about how you reduce stigma. That you show people, you know you can show people as many powerpoint slides as you want explaining what depression is but it’s only by getting people with that lived experience in the room, speaking with them, that that’s what makes the difference. In the workplace, we did a thing with firefighters. These were big tough burly guys. And we said we were going to talk about how you have these difficult conversations. And one of the firefighters said to me, he said, ‘Mate, you give me a burning building, I’d prefer to run into that than to have a conversation about mental health with one of my guys.’ But um, you know we spent four hours with them, and it made a big difference. Six months later, still increased confidence having conversations, reduction in sickness absence in the organisation. So it doesn’t take much to change the dialogue. Yes so John, when you started to articulate what was going on for you, once you’d understood yourself what was going on, to your colleagues, to your partners in the law firm, to other colleagues, how did those conversations initially go? Law’s a very conservative profession. They range from, someone getting in the lift going, ‘Hi are you ok?’ ‘Yeah.’ ‘Are you really ok? Are you really ok? Yeah I’m bipolar but don’t worry about it. Or people, um, when you’re a bit down and out coming up and saying ‘can I help you?’ And I agree with you, when you share stories people do show empathy and want to understand. So if you share those stories it starts to break down the barriers and reduce stigma. And that is principally why I do what I do. This is very much the work of, ah, Mates in Construction. And Mark, you’re involved in Mates in Construction. We’ve got Carolyn Kelso it just so happens who’s also involved in Mates in Construction, one of the very small staff of the NSW branch of Mates in Construction. Let’s get the mike to you. And Mates in Construction came out of Queensland. Carolyn, thanks so much for being here tonight. We’re in WA and South Australia as well. – You’re in WA and South Australia.
– Yeah. So actually it’s about conversations isn’t it? Peer to peer conversations, in the construction industry initially, on building sites but beyond now. We actually go on sites by invitation and we actually um, have a… we develop communities basically. So we actually train big burly construction workers on how to identify when someone’s doing it tough. And know how to connect them to the appropriate help. And even intervene on suicide. So we have three levels of training, where general awareness training for everybody, where we um, we give clear – it’s from major research – um how to identify when someone is doing it tough, and why the construction industry is higher in suicides than other forms of death. The construction industry is 97, 98% male dominated and there’s a culture there, you know ‘suck it up princess, have a teaspoon of cement’, and don’t talk about your stuff. We’re trying to actually change that culture, that it’s ok to ask for help It’s about mates helping mates. So we’re actually sharpening the tools of the managers and employees, from apprentices to everybody, on how to actually help a mate. And we see it working day in day out. Let’s give them a round of applause, thank you Carolyn. It’s great. And theirs is a model that can be applied to other industries. Rachel. Yes I was just going to say that methodology that Mates in Construction are using is, this is the John’s firm that he works for has used a very similar methodology and that we partnered with John’s firm to really do the mental health awareness for most of the partners and directors and managers. And then we really looked at, well, would someone go to disclose a mental health issue to a partner or a director or a manager? Maybe, but maybe not. And that’s when they really went that next level down and initiated a similar program with wellbeing officers. And I think we trained over 140 wellbeing officers nationally – in all of your offices
– What does a wellbeing officer do? Well a wellbeing officer is a contact. It’s a person who has undergone, we did three hours of training, with them around, how do I recognise a mental health issue? How do I realise when someone’s not travelling so well? How do I respond? How do I have a conversation with someone I might be concerned about? How do I refer? What are my referral options? And we designed a nice mental health intervention framework for them to use. What internal resources do I have, what external resources do I have, and how do I just keep someone on my radar? And reconnect with them every now and again. To make sure that we’ve followed up with them. So it’s really using that peer to peer support model and if someone’s not travelling so well they can be identified. Your wellbeing officers, they’re names were published, and promoted, so everybody knew who the wellbeing officer was. And so if I’m not so comfortable disclosing a mental health issue to my partner or my manager, I might have my buddy in the next group, or someone who’s around my level, who I might chose to disclose that to. And we trained everyone from secretaries to paralegals, to accounts people to managers to someone in marketing. So it’s just across the board now. If only all workplaces were as enlightened. – Megan you want to weigh in and then I want to come up to you sorry.
– It’s important to have people on the ground… as well, because sometimes people’s, your manager might be in another state. Or another country. And you don’t have the day to day interaction where they could pick up those sorts of things. So the peer to peer stuff’s really important. But even, um, even the word ‘disclose’ – we were talking about this earlier, weren’t we. I mean I reckon we need to even shift even that concept that somehow we’ve got this secret, and we’re going to reveal our vulnerability. I’m going to take that little gem of a personal experience and expose it in the workplace. And the consequences can be very tough. I mean workplaces are punitive, competitive environments at times. They are. And I noticed that somebody, it was up there, used the word ‘identify’. Identify as having lived experience. I think that’s much better, much nicer, than I’m telling you my dirty little secret. My dirty little secret…. Can we come up to you, thank you, thanks for waiting. That’s ok. Hi I’m Paula and I’m a person with lived experience. And I just wanted to share about my workplace wellness plan that I have with my manager. I work in the public sector mental health service, and it’s the first time I’ve actually got a job because of my mental illness because I’ve had a history of being sacked because of it. So it’s nice to actually… It’s actually a prerequisite for the job. So I feel very blessed with that. And I work within a very supportive environment within a mental health service, and it was really important for me to be proactive with my plan. So I put the plan together and then I took it to my line manager and we now review that every year, and when I do my annual assessments. What’s your work plan contain that’s vital? The things that I want to see happen if I start to become unwell. I was owned by a cat until six months ago when she passed away, and it was really important for me to know that if I was going to hospital, that somebody was, my friend Michael would be called to look after her. Otherwise my anxiety levels would be horrific. And I just wouldn’t go to hospital if I knew she wasn’t being looked after. They know what I need to do. – So this plan was something that was at work, as well?
– Yes. I have it at work. – So it’s both in your life, at work, at home, amongst your friends…
– Yes, yes. Everybody in my support team has a copy of it. Fantastic. Great to hear. If anyone else has a support plan that they’ve negotiated in some way no matter how big, comprehensive, little, I’d love to hear about it. And there’s that word ‘support’ again, and having a support network, which is really hard to find when you’re doing it tough. I just want to book end this thing about conversations, because it’s come up quite a bit. And so we’ll bookend that part of the conversation. But Rachel, you have some great tools that you offer. In fact all of you have got comments on this. Tools for how to initiate the conversation. What do some of those tools look like? – So this is if you’re initiating a conversation with your…
– About a mental health issue or challenge …with your manager or someone. I think key is doing some preparation for it. And really thinking firstly about who. Who do I want to share this information with? Who do I want to talk to about this? It may be my manager but it may not. Maybe I don’t feel comfortable for some reason. So it might be a peer, it might be a colleague. So the who. I think how much information do you want to disclose There is no legal obligation to let an employer know So how much information is certainly worth considering. I think also choosing to go through a bit of a ‘advantages and disadvantages’, pros and cons analysis, in terms of is it going to be, in some work environments, maybe it is a very safe place to be able to talk openly about a mental health issue, whereas in other workplaces, maybe I don’t quite trust that it will be kept confidential, whether I might, this might have implications for my career whether I might be discriminated against, whether I might be just treated differently. – So I think undertaking…
– If you’re in a workplace like that, what are the other things that you can do to get the support you need to cope at work? Well you can use your other support networks through colleagues or peers maybe, using that support network, but also support networks outside of work in terms of a lot of people have spoken about friends and family and drawing on support outside of work can also give a lot of strength. And I know a lot of people who may be experiencing a mental health issue who don’t necessarily talk about it at work because they’ve got very strong support outside of work whether it’s friends or family, it might be treating practitioners and professionals that they’re engaged in with counselling. So there’s other avenues to also get that support too. – Sam.
– I think that’s a good point. That we shouldn’t assume for everyone that disclosing, or whatever term we’re going to think up for it, is the right thing. And it is a difficult thing. I think we are lucky in the time in which we live in which there is a lot of information available. There’s the Heads Up website that beyondblue launched a couple of years ago, it has a lot of information about mental health in the workplace. There’s a thing on there called a decision aid tool. So essentially that allows an individual who’s trying to decide if they want to tell people at work or not, to kind of go through each of those steps and it sort of guides you through and gives you a bit of legal advice, a bit of general advice and things like that. So I think, I mean we heard earlier with John’s story, that the internet can help. It can be a problem as well, but the good sites – Heads Up, the Black Dog Institute – there’s good tools there. – And you’ve used… Oh John.
– But I will point out that the people two hours out of Dubbo don’t have a computer sometimes. – True.
– That’s where for me doing what Mates in Construction do that face to face is actually really important. And Meghan, you’ve used some of these tools in your workplace as part of the Healthy Minds project. Yeah we do. Because we realise that once you do the awareness, the training, whatever, that’s fine but somebody might be broaching one of these conversations six months down the track. And they think, ‘what was that they said in that course?’ We have a lot of the materials there from SANE Australia and from everywhere, that can help people have those conversations. And we’re always talking about where these things live on our intranet and also in hard copy, and everywhere else we can put it, I’ll slap it up everywhere. Just so that people know that that’s there when they need it because, thankfully it’s not something they need everyday. Lots of questions so let’s come to you, thank you, hi. Hi, Jack Heath from SANE Australia. There’s also some important cultural issues here in Australia about disclosing about mental illness in the workplace. And that is in Australia we’re very much such a team based culture, and I wonder whether or not it’s the extent to which we say, you know what, I don’t want to let the team down, and I’m going to keep the problem to myself. Because what we also found is that when people do go out and disclose, the support that’s here in Australia is quite extraordinary, but we seem to have what John was talking about a little bit earlier, a little bit of self stigma which sort of says ‘I don’t want to say that I’m vulnerable, I don’t want to put my hand up’, even though the support that we get when we do that is quite extraordinary. Interesting, yes, that’s an interesting observation. Time is marching on and I really want to come back to Mark Jacobson. Mark, tell us what your supervisor did with you? What you together, collaboratively, developed to enable you to move on? Yep. So um, my supervisor explained you know my doctor had explained to me about the anxiety which then developed into chronic depression and what not, and my supervisor put it very simply for me, and it was better than it’s been put with any doctor, and it was basically that anyone with a broken leg is injured, and it takes time for that injury to heal, you’re off work for that amount of time and you do what’s necessary to heal yourself with that. And it’s the exact same with a mental illness, only that no one can see it. My supervisor had organised not for me to go into work but had organised a Sydney Water appointed psychiatrist, who had more letters in front of his name that I’d ever seen in my life. So through this psychiatrist they were informing my supervisor where I was at in life, which enabled them to help me get back on my feet. And which they did, you know had me back in working on lesser hours, or shorter working week, and basically whatever I needed it was catered for. What difference did getting treatment or support, or therapy, or whatever range of things that you were accessing, at the same time as continuing on in the workforce, what was powerful about that combination, do you think? In terms of your own healing. Being at work is part of the healing process as well. I found being at home, I felt useless. Being involved at work, being helped through work, and having the support that I had day to day, was exactly what I needed to get back on my feet. You know, and I couldn’t be more grateful for the way that it was approached and the way that it ended up. It happened on a number of fronts, so you also, you know, if anxiety was an issue – perhaps to do less site visits for a while.
– Yeah, of course. I was a bit worried at first going back to work, after having so much time off, as I said earlier I was a bit worried about how I was going to be viewed in the workplace. I felt that I had let – someone mentioned before – the team, letting the team down at work, I’m not there to help, and when I am there, you know, I’m not myself, and what not. So I found getting up, going to work everyday, with the support that I have had, and still have, it gave me meaning everyday to do something. I felt like I was pulling my weight that way. – Mark… Oh, Sam.
– Can I add something to that. Cause so far, we’ve kind of let mental health professionals off rather easy so far in this conversation. There is still an idea that as a clinician, your role is to protect people from work until their 100% well. And you’re exactly right, that increasingly we know that we have to be getting clinicians more to be thinking about work as part of people’s recovery when it’s appropriate, but I think that requires joint working between the clinician and workplaces and the patient. And that’s a new skill for us as clinicians and something we’re learning as we go. – So John, you very much believe that work was crucial.
-Oh yeah. But there’s an interesting…. you work in a few different fronts. Yes, work was vital in your recovery, but also you talk about these eight pillars of resilience – I think that is what you call them,
– Yeah that you have instigated in your own life to enable you to function well. Yeah. Work is a part of your life, and it’s a big part of your life. You don’t want to be… if you’re miserable at work, you’re pretty bloody miserable because you spend a lot of time there. Um, in my recovery going to work, like for Mark, it gave me self worth, and it helps you overcome self stigma. You’re confident again, that’s just a given. In terms of what I had to do and learn, it was, you know, take my meds. A lot of people… the stats are, as I understand it, that a lot of men in particular self medicate. You don’t self medicate. If you’re on a drug that’s going to help you with a mental illness, you take it. Well certainly that’s um… if you know Gordon Parker, he will tell you pretty straight. And he knows – you can walk in there and he knows if you’re not on your drugs. – Gordon Parker, founder of the Black Dog Institute,
– Correct. – leading psychiatrist.
– I’m very lucky to have resources like that. Next is exercise. Diet. Sleep. And what I call rest. What I… If I’m unwell, and my wife can pick it up, she says ‘you’re unwell’, we know what unwell means – mentally unwell, I have rest. Whether that’s one, two hours, I go home rest of the afternoon, or you know take time out I take time out. The most I’ve ever taken out is three weeks. But you know, can do that. My family. And – all credit to you Alex – carers. Having a good carer, and having a carer for a start, but having a carer that understands, and my family, and helping them understand my illness through education, has been the biggest thing in my life. And it’s because… .that was not easy, in that, not that they didn’t want to do it, and there’s been some pretty rough patches in my life and certainly with my mental illness, not that people didn’t want to do that, it’s just a question of understanding and education. That to me is the real part. Having people close to you, and those closest to you, I can’t underscore that more. If you have that around you, everything else just falls into place. Any other experiences in the audience to that… around that kind of process of returning to work? Yes hi, thanks. Hi, my name’s Sue Gorton. I’m an occupational health nurse from 25 years in the UK, so I’ve lived under the umbrella of Dame Carol Black and all the work done about good work is good for you. And my job for the past 25 years has been designing return to work plans and job modification plans for people with both physical and mental health issues. Because if you want someone to stay at work, all the research has shown you don’t change the job… you don’t create a job for someone with a mental health issue, – you change the job.
– You modify the job. And there’s lots of avenues for simple things. You might not even need to disclose a mental health issue to a manager, but you have to give the manager confidence that the person returning to work will ultimately be able to do the job for which they were employed. That they can still do the integral parts of that role, even if you have to modify some of them. And most of my job, in the past 25 years, was actually instilling confidence in both the employee, that we could create the first step of a return to work that they could see themselves doing, because if you’re off, 100% sick, you see going back to work at 100% as an insurmountable project. So if you can say, well actually, we’re not looking at 100% of your job, we just want you to see the first 25% of it, and if you give them that support and confidence to do that, and the manager, then you get them back to work within a set period of time. Because they both have the confidence for that same journey. And the manager’s just as frightened as the employee. So you have to have some mechanism in place for both of them. If you don’t, I don’t think you can succeed. And just for anyone here, if you were looking for some advice on job modifications, there’s some great work done on the job accommodation network, that was done in America, after they had the Americans with Disabilities Act. – The job?
– The Job Accommodation Network – OK
– Has got a whole raft of information on how to modify roles for people with mental health issues. – Even something simple like, can I wear a pair of headphones
– Fantastic. OK. when I’m at work because the noise around me is distracting. Sometimes it can be as simple as giving someone the permission to wear headphones. And we’ll round of the conversation today with resources. I want to pass the mic to Jenny Baines who’s right next to you because we’ve been talking about well the fact, the very act of normalising these conversations about our mental wellbeing is destigmatising. And hopefully will create future generations of workforces for whom this is just a normal part of existing in a workplace. And Jenny, you are involved in an institution Western Sydney University, who are training you are training the next workforce. And you are very actively also engaging in a mental health strategy with both staff and students on campus, aren’t you? – With this in mind.
– That’s right, yes. So I had the pleasure of working as a counsellor for many years with students, um, wonderful to work with. Who are mostly under 25, who are in that kind of age bracket of developing mental illness, and also we see a lot of depression and anxiety walking through our doors. So we have support services available for staff and for students But many years ago we thought, well, we have this wonderful opportunity in our community to actually broaden that out and have many more broader conversations rather than the one to one. So we developed a mental health and wellbeing strategy for the university. And, last year, finalised our mental health and wellbeing policy for the university. And under that sits a number of initiatives. I think one of the gems is… under that we do a lot of training with staff, mental health first aid training – suicide awareness training with our staff
– mental health first aid. – Yes.
– How does that work in the context of a university workforce? OK so it allows… it’s a two day program so it’s quite a commitment, and over the years – we’ve been running it since 2008 – so over the years we have quite good commitment to that program now from staff. The beauty of that is it starts the conversations, It does address stigma and it talks about some of the myths around mental illness. And it’s had quite an impact on our staff. We’re actually evaluating the impact that this has had on staff – and students because….
– What’s your sense of the impact? Maybe some examples? Well an example might be, we started running the training particularly for our frontline staff, our student central staff, And we had a student who was in line and she noticed that that particular student was starting to… you know, was a bit agitated a bit concerned. And she said afterwards her approach was quite different after having done that particular program. And she kind of walked the person up to see one of the counsellors, and that person was actually quite suicidal at the time. So it was quite…. quite an impact. And we’ve had a number of testimonials and statements about that that it’s been quite powerful. And one of the things that we are doing is working with nursing students and secondary education students and running the program with them in order to equip them to manage these issues much better when they go into the workplace. And also, um, we know that sure we’ve got professionals on campus and students and staff will come in and see us, but they’ll talk to their friends more often. So we’re working on students supporting students now. – OK
– and a mental health and wellbeing ambassador program. Thanks Jenny Baines for being here. Hi, you had a question. My name’s Marina. I’ve been a registered nurse for about 40 years and I’m just listening to all this conversation and it’s extremely interesting, but also the fact that working in the Department of Health… in health, for all these years I’ve never… I’ve had my own issues with depression, but I’ve never ever heard of a management plan If I have a bad day at work I speak to my boss and it’s like, ‘ok that’s great, this is how much leave you’ve got up your sleeve at the moment.’ And they’ll listen to you and they’ll talk to you, but they don’t own your problem or they won’t participate with you in your problem. – And there’s no framework?
– And there’s no framework. And they’re all lovely people but it’s the fact that we’re time poor, we’re money poor, we’re resource poor, we’re Department of Health, we push… Nurses are also seen, I think, and a lot of people in caring professions as being able to help yourself a little bit more. Or at least being a little bit more aware. And you’ve got more resources than somebody in another capacity in another job that hasn’t. And I think that’s a big thing. I said not all people are getting looked after by a Water Board or Optus. And you know we’re one of the biggest employers, and I’m yet to hear all those good things happening there. Yeah there’s always a sweet irony, isn’t there, that some of those professions, or departments or organisations that are actually focused on health outcomes are very poor at navigating their own challenges in the workforce. Let’s come to the panel. And to Mark. Any final comments from you on what one key shift would undermine this stigma that we experience? If you’re an employer, or you’re a manager in an organisation, you’re not alone in trying to work out what you need to do. At a national level there’s beyondblue Heads Up website and the Mentally Health Workplace Alliance that’s got lots of resources written for employers. Within NSW we’ve got WayAhead and the Mental Health Promotion Network which has local meetings that will guide people who are new to this area to do stuff. If you’re someone who’s already suffering from a mental illness, and you’re not doing… you’re not getting the type of work you want at the moment, then tell your health professional that that needs to be part of your treatment plan. That that’s part of your recovery. And if you’re someone who has symptoms and is not getting help at the moment then ask for help, or use one of the online resources now if you’re not ready to ask someone face to face. OK. Sharon Leadbeater from Wayahead, hello there. Let’s just come briefly to you. What is Wayahead? What can you offer people in this audience? I work for Wayahead Mental Health Association which is a mental health promoting charity here in Sydney. I coordinate the workplace health program. And that is for any organisation that is interested in supporting the health and wellbeing of their employees. We provide network meetings for people, where we bring in expert guest speakers to present the latest best practice information, whether it’s case studies or examples of research in the area, the latest findings. We also have a newsletter that goes out. We negotiate conference discounts for our members to try and help with their professional development. And we also have an extensive resources section because as the panel have pointed out tonight there’s a lot more resources out there than they’re ever used to be. And a lot aren’t involving cost either. So we’re trying to be a bit of a go-to hub. Any final comments, on stigma or otherwise. Rachel. I think it’s around education, you know, it’s around educating people and helping people feel a lot more confident and a lot more competent around having conversations with people about their wellbeing. – Mark.
– One of the biggest discoveries I’ve made since coming through it was, a little while back, I did a story with the Sydney Morning Herald involving Mates in Construction. One of the biggest discoveries I found after that story was just how many people are suffering as well. Who – you know, you’d never have any idea. And I think once people start to become more aware that anyone can be affected by it, I think it will be much more easier to talk about as well. Thank you Mark. John. Education at a national level. If we go back and have a look at some things that we’ve done very well, how did we get fit?We told Norm to ‘Life. Be in it.’ How did we sort of draw attention to people with AIDS? Grim reaper and the bowling ball. How did we stop sun cancer? Slip slop slap. How did we stop smoking? Quit. The Victorian Road Association ads. We need something like that to go at the base level the community level. Corporates do have a responsibility, yes, but I think it’s just got to grow organically up. Megan. I think we’ve just got to keep talking about it. At every level that we can. Whether it’s business to business about the costs that it’ll save, or whether it’s as an employer that’s looking after your people. I think we just need to keep talking about it to whoever will listen. It’s not going away. Can I thank our wonderful panel. John Canning, Megan Kingham, Rachel Clements, Dr Sam Harvey. It’s been fantastic to have your expertise and stories in the audience Really appreciate you attending. And thank you to the wonderful NSW Mental Health Commission team for pulling this together so professionally and holding it at the Riverside Theatre. Thank you to our venue hosts as well. Thank you.
[intro music] Chase: Hello, everybody, it is me – Chasey Poo! Today I am going to be talking to you about how being trans is not a mental illness. And a lot of people have been asking where I get my shirts from, so this one – I’ll put the link in the description below. It says “All genders are valid”. Alright, huntys. Let’s get into this! So, first of all – this might cause a fight online between me and some other youtubers. Who knows! Because I know that there are some people out there who are trans and who believe that being trans is a mental illness. Okay. I’m not saying medical condition, here, I’m saying a mental illness and I kind of wanna bring it out into the open – my way of like how I feel about this topic and how I think and you know, my view on things because I want people to get my side of the story as well and kind of understand where I’m from because maybe it’s different for everyone. And you know what – if you believe it’s a mental illness that’s on you. That’s cool. You do you. I really – that’s your life, man. I don’t care. You know, that’s you. But for me, personally, it is not a mental illness. Now, if you’re gonna ask me if being trans is a medical condition, well, here’s the thing, okay: In order for things to be covered by insurance and stuff like that, you need to have a diagnosis of gender dysphoria and that is a medical condition, alright. And there are people who are very medicalised in the trans aspect and identify more as transsexual and go on hormones and have surgery and go stealth or just, you know, identify as transsexual and just kind of don’t really like put themselves out there as trans. Like, they just have a medical condition. They – that happens to be trans like they happen to be trying – or like they don’t even identify trans. They just happen to have a medical condition and it’s called gender dysphoria and the treatment for that was to transition. Now for me, personally, I don’t see that as a medical condition. I did need medical intervention in order to help me be comfortable in transition. But, for me personally, my trans identity is more identity-based, I guess, is… is how I could explain it. I – I do have a diagnosis for gender dysph – actually gender identity disorder because I’m old umm.. and I transitioned a long time ago, but it It makes me feel good that there are, you know, two three different schools of thoughts and we could kind of openly discuss them. So, trans not being a mental illness is controversial. Why? So I think that there are people out there who want it to be a mental illness, ah, because that way it’s it’s more of a valid thing maybe for some people where they see that it’s in the DSM, and they get diagnosed, and there is treatment. So there’s like you have depression? Treat it with antidepressants, you know? So it’s like it’s a valid thing and it’s real it’s concrete here scientifical evi – scientifical? Hm – Scientific evidence. Sorry. Umm… so that, I could understand that point of view. But… to say that it is a mental illness I feel is extremely stigmatizing to a lot of people in the community who don’t see it as a mental illness at all. Look I have a lot of mental illnesses. I was recently diagnosed with PTSD, OCD, ah, generalized anxiety disorder and BPD traits, okay. And I’ve known I’ve had those things for years and I just now got a diagnosis and if you want more about that, there’s more videos on my channel about my diagnosis and stuff like that if you really want to know more. But, ah, the point is that I have these clinical kind of diagnoses to help me and and having those diagnoses have helped me because now I have therapy. I have access to different types of therapy that I wouldn’t have had without this diagnosis. So for me, I completely understand that but, the thing is that all of these issues and mental illnesses that I have are very – they’re mental, and it-it’s all like there is something wrong with my brain and I need to fix it. That’s what it feels like, and now my point of view on being trans is that there’s nothing wrong with my brain and I don’t want to fix it, because for me I like being trans and I can understand people absolutely go lose their mind when I say that. And I don’t represent the whole trans community. I’m representing myself, Chase Ross. I love my trans identity. I love my trans body. I love my trans self. I love my trans friends. I love my trans life. I have been growing up in this trans bubble for the last ten years and I have learned to embrace myself and love who I am and to see the thing that I love the most be seen as a mental illness? The thing that I love the most – it’s not the thing that I love the most about me, but it’s a very big aspect of my life that I love to embrace and I like to do that, I embrace my trans identity and it makes me feel good to talk about it and to be open and to educate people who you know are super confused and don’t know what’s going on? So for me, I see it as like an educational thing and as a, as an identity thing and something that I’ve learned to love and learn to embrace in myself. So I don’t like that being categorized as a mental illness because it makes it seem like you want to fix me. And there is nothing that needs to be fixed in me. I-I’m fine the way that I am trans-related Okay, obviously, I need to get – I need to deal with OCD and PTSD because those things are really not fun. But… in terms of my trans identity, there’s nothing that needs to be fixed. And I can understand some people can lose their mind because they’re like “But you say you have dysphoria, but now you like being trans and you like your body and you don’t want to be fixed. That doesn’t make any sense.” You know what? That’s that’s how you think and that’s fine. Okay, the way that I think is different and you know we’re allowed to coexist in this world together to have different thoughts. Especially if we’re both trans, who cares? Umm… for me, it – it’s really it’s it’s I’m allowed to have dysphoria. And I do have dysphoria about my hips, about bottom stuff, that I want bottom surgery. But, I still don’t see it as a mental illness. I see it as there’s a disconnect between the way that I see myself, and the way that I am, and the way that my body is, and as the years go by the dysphoria has changed from top to bottom to hips to top again to bottom to – needing top surgery to not needing top surgery to needing top surgery. Going on T, going off T. Like, I’ve just kind of gone where my body has told me to go and I’ve really listened to myself and my brain and what I need… and to call that a mental illness makes me feel bad – and I know that’s like that’s not a good excuse for this whole video like “and you make me feel bad so don’t do it”, but I just don’t like that association because I have never felt more sane?… I guess. Um… Then when I found out I was trans and learned to embrace my identity. And to me that was a super important kind of realization that I can be trans and I can love my body and I don’t have to see it as something that is a disorder, even though I’m diagnosed with gender identity disorder, back in the day. Um… It’s something that you know, and I know you gonna be like “well you’re you’re messing up with scientific fact that they call it gender dysphoria. It’s in the DSM. It’s a mental illness.” You know what cool, okay, they had gay in the – they had gay in the DSM They did horrible therapy to make gays not gays, you know what I’m saying? Just because it was doesn’t mean it always has to be and it’s right. So for me, not that I’m actively trying to like pursue and change the meaning of words… No, rhis is just how I live my life and I like to share it online and maybe someone else feels like me, cool. If everyone else feels not like me that’s cool too because I am living in this bubble where I’m happy, and that’s all that really matters. Anyways, what do you think about this topic? Let me know in the comments below and I will see you later! Have a great day, bye! [click]
RoboCop, Robodog, Robo… …doctor? Alright, medical technology is getting weirder
by the day. But I mean that in a good way. Take the iKnife for example. It’s a surgical
knife that actually vaporizes tissue, and then analyzes the smoke that comes out so
that a surgeon can know if she’s cutting into cancerous cells, or healthy margins. Or what about mechanical leeches? They pretty
much do what medicinal leeches do, only with less chance of a bacterial infection and a
lot less… …writhing. There’s only so much improvement you can do
to a tool before you eventually have to turn your attention to the hand that holds that
tool. And that’s where robotic surgery comes in. So do you remember the autonomous surgery
pod in Ridley Scott’s Prometheus? How far away are we from something like that? Well, not as far away as you might think. You see, robotic surgery and computer assisted
medicine are already doing amazing things right now. And the potential for what they
could do in the future could change medicine forever! One of the most common surgical robots is
the da Vinci line. Da Vinci is focused on translating a surgeon’s control movements
into direct action upon a patient. So every time a human moves, the robot moves. Unless of course a T-Rex happens to be walking
by, in which case the robot actually filters out any of those little hand tremors. So that
way you get pure control. No error. Another advantage of robot surgeons is the
chance for telesurgery. So lets assume that you’re some sort of futuristic
penguin research scientist and you’re on assignment off the coast of Antarctica, when suddenly
you need an appendectomy. But your ship is completely trapped by ice and your ship’s
surgeon has been, I don’t know, kidnapped by ice pirates or something. What do you do? Well essentially you Skype it in. A surgeon on the mainland sits down at a terminal
and supervises robotically assisted telesurgery via satellite uplink. Another advantage is minimally invasive procedures.
Now see traditional open surgery can leave big scars, they can take a long time to heal,
and there’s a lot of pain involved in recovery. But what if instead of making a four inch
incision in your stomach, we were able to do the same procedure using instruments put
through little half-inch holes. Now human doctors have been doing minimally
invasive procedures for years, but honestly there’s only so much human hands can do through
these tiny holes in your skin. But robotic precision means those incisions
have gotten smaller and smaller over time. And if we continue through this miniaturization
rabbit hole, who knows? Maybe one day there’ll be barely a notion of what an in-patient procedure
is. Now the future for robotic surgery is wide
open. Just take a look at what people have created with the Raven line. This is an open-source robotic surgeon and,
sure, it looks like a couple of mechanical spider arms, but the important thing here
is research. You see it creates a common platform for people
to do experiments which will determine the future of robotic surgery. But beyond all that, instead of just talking
about robotic assisted surgeries, lets talk about their full potential. We’re talking autonomous robot surgeons. Ok so, with machine learning, a robot surgeon
could potentially study all the information from successful procedures in the past and
apply that to learn how to do those procedures in the future. And if they prove to be as good or better
than human surgeons, maybe we wouldn’t even go to hospitals to have surgery. Instead if you expected to have a surgery,
you might buy a robot surgeon for the home, or for the office, or for the spacecraft. Which leads me to a question for all of you
out there. Lets say that you have to have a dangerous surgical procedure. Which would you choose? The best human surgeon
alive today? Or the best robot surgeon from fifty years in the future? Let us know what your decision is and explain
why in the comments below. And if you enjoyed this video, make sure you
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So I’m going into internal medicine here at Barnes-Jewish Hospital! I’m going into psychiatry at UC San Francisco. I’m doing pediatrics at Stanford. So Match Day is kind of the day that every medical student looks forward to, but also fears. I’m going into internal medicine at NYU’s school of medicine. I remember when we first started dating he was already freaking out about couples matching. Gotta plan ahead. He’s a planner. I matched in orthopedics at University of Washington, Seattle. So the couples match always adds a layer of complexity. We don’t know how we might be adversely affecting each other. We’re doing general surgery. At Massachusetts General Hospital. I’ll be matching into pediatrics at Boston Children’s. Sorry. I’ll be doing internal medicine at the Cleveland Clinic. I’m doing pediatrics here at St. Louis Children’s Hospital. Orthopedic surgery at the University of
Southern California Mom, I’m coming home! Johns Hopkins for anesthesiology. Whether we were couples matching or not both of us would want to be here as our number one choice. But nothing is ever certain until you walk up to the microphone and open it. All right, I’m going into internal medicine. I’m doing orthopedic surgery. Oh my gosh I hope it
says Barnes. I hope it says Barnes. And we’re gonna be going to… We’re staying here!