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Addressing Mold and Mycotoxins | Dr. J Podcast #209

November 18, 2019

Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Hey Evan, it’s Dr.
J. here, how we doin’? Evan Brand: Happy Monday man, I’m back in
my house as a wounded warrior, holy crap. Uh–, I’m kinda go into this story here. Who would have thought that I was dizzy for
months and months and it was ti– err– tied into molds? You and I have been talking about this what
feels like forever, testing adrenals, and testing gut, and testing blood, and testing
all this crap. We were never tested my house. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I know, well at least
we have some data to go after. The problem with molds is it’s– it’s
one of the rat holes of functional medicine because any and every symptom can get lumped
into that category, so it’s good that we have some data that actually know, that it’s–
a– le– a real and legitimate issue, plus, the lynchpin, we talked about this earlier
is, how do we even know molds and issue. Will we get you out of that environment for
week and you felt much better. And then we got you back in the environment
and you noticed the dizziness kind of start to happen again. So, we were able to really control those variables
and then we went and got the testing done, and then more like, “Hey look, we have a
problem”. So, we were really able to kind of like use
good– you know, the deductive reasoning to figure out if there’s an issue. Evan Brand: Yeah, so basically what happened
is, folks, I’ve been busy for several months, I documented in my little health symptom journal
back in July. We’re talking now January, the– Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Mm-hmm. Evan Brand: –next year. That I say, “I’m dizzy for no reason.” And it just keep getting worse and worse and
worse. When I was driving, I was fine but when I
get to my destination, you know I would get worse. Uh– walking down aisle like in a grocery
store would make me real dizzy and, you know, couldn’t really figure out what was going
on. I would track blood sugar, I would track blood
pressure, I thought it was some issue there. Uhm– but it wasn’t, it was all mold because
when we went to this extended stay in hotel, my wife and I, my daughter, the dog, we took
everybody. Guess what, within just a few days I woke
up and I wasn’t dizzy anymore. And then, you know, we got the house treated
with an enzyme-based solution that supposed to kill all the mold. But, I’m still waking up dizzy just a bit. Not as bad, for sure. Symptoms are better. Uhm– when I was kinda talking to you off
air, I’m doing some charcoal, I’m doing some acetyl glutathione, I’m doing uh–
this formula called Agrumax which is like a sinus rinse. I’m squirting all these crap in my sinuses
to try to kill mold in my sinuses so, I’m like going all in on this thing, and uh–
you know, hopefully, we’re getting into a– another half house and we’re gonna
sell this house. So hopefully that’s gonna be the miracle
cure for me. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, that makes a
lot of sense. And the nice thing is, we were able to use–
I think we reused the amino ___[02:29] lab, that’s one of the labs we used. And we were able to get some data on the fact
that there was some molded house, and, one of the cool things we knew is that your office
is one of those areas that was really clean. And you always notice that when you’re upstairs,
seeing patients, or talking with patients over the phone and skype, that you just felt
a lot better. And then when you came out, that– that’s
where it really hits you, right? Evan Brand: Yeah, exactly. So, if you go on my Facebook page, people
can look up the pictures of the plate I posted there. the top left picture, there was a series of
5 plates that we use. The top left picture that was actually zero
mold, no-growth at all. And that’s the office that was upstairs
where there’s no uh– doc-work or anything connected to the downstairs, and so, you know,
every time I get off work, I go downstairs and sit at the dinner table, and eat dinner,
all of a sudden, I’d get this dizzy spell. And I couldn’t figure it out and my wife
and everybody else at all or maybe it’s just a work day catching up to you, maybe
it’s the stress of the work day, it’s now– now it’s affecting you later and
I didn’t buy it, I was like, “No, I enjoyed my job, I’m not stressed about it, I feel
fine”. It’s when I come downstairs, I’m dizzy. Well, duhh, there’s your answer, I was going
from a non-moldy environment to a moldy environment. So, we’ve gotta list the symptoms and I’ll
just read through these, and these are list of symptoms that can be associated with mold. And it’s weird because I was having more
of these like, uhm– neurological symptoms rather than kind of a typical stuff. My voice is sounding all weird this is ’cause
I got the flu. This has nothing to do with the mold. Maybe the mold weaken my immune system– Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yes. Evan Brand: –and I got the flu because of
it, but I’m not stuffy because of mold. I’ve not been stuffy the whole time. So, symptoms, it could be fatigue and weakness,
it could be headaches or light sensitivities, concentration problems, poor memory, we get
through brain fog in to the mix, uhm– skin sensations like tingling, numbness, shortness
of breath, sinus congestion, coughing, appetite swings, body temperature regulation problems,
uh– you’re peeing a lot or you’re really thirsty, I did notice that. I weren’t peeing a lot but I was real thirsty. Uhm– did we say mood swings? Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yes. Evan Brand: Mood swings is on there. Uhm– abdominal pain, any issues with the
gut, so like constipation, diarrhea, bloating, and then uh– vertigo is actually on the
list. It’s weird though, like, why would I go
straight to the brain symptoms and not have any of the sinus problems. I didn’t really have brain fog, I was just
spacy, like my vision– my vision field has been disturbed. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: A hundred percent
man, hundred percent. So, it’s really good that we were able to
figure that out. Now couple things that kind of uhm– motivated
this is you– you gotta know how is this flaw which is pretty exciting, was not–
not ne– necessarily a hundred percent because of the mold, maybe ’cause of other reasons
as well. Uhm– any comments there? Evan Brand: Yeah, I mean, I– I’m looking
forward to getting the in the heck out of here, you know, uh– this house is too small. You’ve been telling me the whole time, “Evan,
when you have a growing family and you’re working from home, you need to have room to
work”. And I’m like, “Oh, man, I’m a minimalist,
I’m fine, I don’t need more room, trust me…” You’re right, dang it, so– Dr. Justin Marchegiani: [Laughs] Evan Brand: [Laughs] Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Well that’s exciting,
yeah. I think you already shared it with everyone
that you’re having a second child coming soon– Evan Brand: Yes. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: –and so that’s
exciting. That’ll expand things a little bit, it’s
another great reason to– to expand. And, the– the mold thing is a good motivating
factor as well. Even though, it’s better remediated in the
house which is great, that’s really good to know. But uhm– Evan Brand: Well, you and I kind of chatted
too, I mean, we were kind of joking, I said it’s, you know, and, actually my wife came
out with this joke so I’m gonna give her the credit. She says, “Yeah, take a bad girlfriend,
once she cheats on you, you’ll never trust her fully again.” Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Evan Brand: And– that’s how we feel about
the house, you know. She kind of cheated on us, and, even if we
did get it remediated you always have this sort of thing like, “Oh my God, do we have
mold again?”. And, you know, and like if I have a headache,
“Oh it’s mold”, “Oh, your joints hurt, it’s mold”, you know, so we would just
freak ourselves out all the time anyway, so probably better just to leave. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And did you get the
testing results on the new house yet? Evan Brand: Uh– I did not, those are pending. I did get a read on report which uh supposedly– Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Evan Brand: –anything above 4 is bad– Dr. Justin Marchegiani: 4. Evan Brand: –I think? Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Evan Brand: Uh– this one showed up in like
a 3.7. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. I would still get the– the read on remediation
and my house, it came back as an 8. Evan Brand: Oh, man! Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And yeah, a– after
they’re a me– and that’s pretty common though. That’s not even– Evan Brand: Oh, okay. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: –a big deal. But after the remediation, here’s what I
do – is I drill and I put this little pipe into the concrete. Evan Brand: Hmm. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And that basically
aerates and allows the house to breath. And then, since that, ’cause it’s like–
literally a meter in my basement. And I could go there and look on my readings
at .5 right now. Evan Brand: Wow! So, I mean, it’s worth that if you can go
from 3 especially from inside working, breathing it in all the time. It’s gonna be good to take it from 3.7 to
lower. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Oh, yeah you wanna
remove it. It’s like 500 bucks to get it treated. Evan Brand: O, that’s cool. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: So, totally worth
if it put a pipe up the side of your house. Uhm– you don’t even see it and then just
allows the whole concrete, the con– the concrete and the foundation to breath, uhm–
and which helps. Evan Brand: ___[07:09] crazy. Some people think like radon is a myth but
I think it’s like the 3rd or 4th leading cause of lung cancer in the U.S. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. No, ra– radon’s a big deal and ___[07:17]
’cause the people that lives here, uh– in my house before me, for 15 years, they–
they live in an area where radon was, you know, over 2x than what the EPA limit is which
is crazy. Evan Brand: Uh– well, well, hopefully don’t
end up with issues and then realize later it was radon ’cause, you know, with– with
lung damage, that’s not something you wanna play with. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: No, it definitely
something you don’t wanna play with. And did you ever do any of the ERMI testing
on your house as well to compare? Evan Brand: I talked about uh– with this
real time labs company doing some of theirs, they call it the EMMA test A, E, M, A, uh–
E, M, M, A which is– Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yup. Evan Brand: –supposed to be even better
than ERMI, but I didn’t do it. I could go back and do it but I mean, I’ve
already got enough reason to leave so I’m just gonna leave. Uh– but– Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, that makes sense. Evan Brand: But I saw all the paddles in the
crawl space, uh– and– and that was a whole different issue– Dr. Justin Marchegiani: That was a plumbing
issue, right? Evan Brand: Yeah, it’s a plumbing issue. Yeah, so there was a– there was a pipe that
connects to the outside water spicket, every time that water spicket got turned on, it
was like Niagara Falls in the crawlspace and of course it’s got all that plastic barrier
in there, so that water had nowhere to go. So I took a flashlight in there and all these
little paddles were just everywhere. And that’s why our floor was so moist ’cause
that water was trying to evaporate up into the floor, and then that was creating a high
humidity in the home around 62% humidity. And uh– the mold remediation, people said,
“We’ve never seen that much ca– uhm– that much kitchen cabinet mold that quickly”. I mean we’re only talking 10 months. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Wow. Evan Brand: And then that much had formed
already. I didn’t know what I was– Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Wow. Evan Brand: –looking at. When I hear mold, I’m thinking the black
stuff, I didn’t know– Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Evan Brand: –this little like white dusty-looking
stuff could be mold too sitting at the bottom of the– of the– of the– uh– the–
like the hori– where the horizontal and the vertical plane of the kitchen cabinet– Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yes. Evan Brand: –connected, that little 90-degree
angle? Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Mm-hmm. Evan Brand: That’s where all this little
white looking dust is. And that’s mold, but I didn’t know what
I was looking at. So– Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally make sense. Now, there’s a couple different families
of mold. Let’s go over the different families and
kind of make sense of them for everyone else here. So, mold comes in, 3– 3 to 4 major families. Pull up my little list here, my little–
“Chi-Chi”. Hold on. We have the– uh hold on Evan, I’m gonna
have you continue to talk a lot– Evan Brand: Yeah, yeah, some– s– some
make you more sick than others. So, people say, “Oh it’s the mold that
make you sick”, but really it’s the mycotoxins that are making you sick, and these are basically
kind of these airborne toxins that can affect your brain as well. And you’ve gotta bind to these things to
get better. So what I’m doing now is I’m doing some
charcoal which is helping me, but I’m still in the environment so for me it’d be smarter
really to get out. Uh– but I really just don’t want to live
in a hotel for a month until we get in, to these other house. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Well at least you’re
working during the day is really good ’cause your office is like a little bit separate
from your whole house area. So that’s actually really good. Evan Brand: Yeah, yeah, it’s– it’s clean
up here and, you know, luckily they didn’t have to– I think they remediated up here
anyway. They did, yeah, just in case. Because, you know, we were coming from downstairs
to upstairs and the mold spores could be on your– on your clothing, and then that could
fall off and then start to colonize a different area. So, I mean it’s like a virus once this thing
spreads. So they did remediate up here. It was amazing. The whole house smelled like clove, I think
that’s one of the ingredients in this enzyme– Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Oh yeah. Evan Brand: –killer. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally make sense. Evan Brand: The whole house smelled just amazing
when we came back into it. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally. So you have 3 major families of mold. You have the Aflatoxin, you have the Ochratoxin
and the Trichothecene. Now Aflatoxin are like the major Aspergillus
species, the Aspergillus flavus and parasiticus. And then the Ochratoxin, there’s a whole
bunch of different other Aspergillus types and penicillium– penicillium-like species. Uh proteinase, ___[10:50], ___[10:51], it’s
like– it’s like, totally crazy lingo. So you have the Aspergillus and the Aflatoxin
flavius and the parasi– pa– parasiticus and then the– all the other Aspergillus
and penicillium, and then the Trichothecene, this is where you have the– the– the stachybotrys,
that’s the technical to black mold. The fusarium as well, the cephalosporium,
uhm– that’s kind of a mold that actually use some cephalosporium which is actually
an antibiotic too which is kind of interesting. And then the Trichoderma the– the trichothecium
and the vertica– wow, the– the ___[11:25]. Man! This is like going on like uh– wanna be
spelling bees here, yikes. Evan Brand: [Laughs] Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Though in general,
those are the big uhm– molds there. And again, there are some of these molds are
also in foods too. And again, the big things you’re gonna see
in the foods are primarily gonna be grains, are gonna be the big ones. A lot of dried foods, nuts, seeds and beans. Those tend to be the big ones that you’re
gonna see on the food side of the fence. So, if you’re doing like an autoimmune paleo,
stick to start, that’s going to eliminate a lot of the– the– the big food vectors. So, if you are sick, starting with an autoimmune
paleo template that’s kinda, by default remove a lot of those foods even though that’s
not the goal. Evan Brand: Yeah, I mean, I’m convinced
now based on this happening to me. I’m convinced now the reason people feel
so good going on a paleo or an autoimmune or just a grain-free diet in general, is because
of the fact that they’re not eating the foods that are highly contaminated with mycotoxins
like the Aflatoxin. So, like, you know, people, doing a lot of
uh, cheese. Even if they’re doing like a raw, grass
fed cheese it doesn’t matter it can still be contaminated with Aflatoxin, and then of
course all your nuts, you pull those out when you’re on EIP, peanut, you pull those out
’cause those are not good. Pistachios, those mold easily. You pull those out. So I mean, it’s hard to believe, you know,
how many people we’ve seen get better with EIP and I think there’s many reasons. I think one of the reasons is just the absence
of mycotoxins. I would call it a “Low Mycotoxin Diet”
just– as a default. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: A hundred percent. Someone asked, “Do– do all seeds have
that?”. I would say no, uh– again, soaking them
is gonna help, and let even dry out’s gonna help. Uh I also do some and a little bit of a nut
butter form uh– which I think may be better just ’cause you’re not sitting around
in– in an environment where they could get either more, you know, trapped and air tightened
so to speak. But in general, my philosophy is get really
healthy. And then when you add these foods back in,
as long as you can tolerate them and as long as you don’t have a significant exacerbational
flare about the symptoms, and you’re probably gonna be okay. So we always like to have the mindset of “Let’s
start with a clean slate” before we make too many major changes. And we’ll just try to buy the best quality
things that we possibly can– Evan Brand: Yeah. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And if we can sprout
them or make– make sure they’re soaked to had it time is helpful too. Evan Brand: I feel like the roasting process
of like an almond butter that’s probably a good idea– Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Better, yeah. Evan Brand: I– I doubt they’re letting
those almond sit and get moldy and then they’re roasting them. And even then, I feel like the roasting, depending
on the temperature, maybe the high temperature would kill some mycotoxins anyway as opposed
to doing like raw almonds. I personally don’t eat any like raw almonds
just by a handful. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah and then I got
a lot of mycotoxin test and some of the coffee that’s out there. I know Dave Asprey promotes his being like
kind of uh– a mo– a low mold or mycotoxin-free coffee. The others have also tested, you know, very
low uhm– mycotoxin as well. So, I think that roasting process thus help
and make a difference. Evan Brand: Yeah. That was a whole big following out with Dave
Asprey and Joe Rogan, he went on his podcast– Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I know. Evan Brand: –like 5, 6 years ago? And– and then Joe said, you know, ’cause
Dave made the comment like, “Oh, it’s very expensive to test all these other brands”
for– for mycotoxins. And then Joe was like, “Well, how much,
is it like 500 bucks to test, you know, Starbucks? ‘Cause I’ll pay 500 bucks and we’ll
go test it”. And I guess he ended up did– he did test
it. You’ll have to go look at the– the interview
so I don’t– Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I saw it, it was with
Dr. Rhonda Patrick, 2015. And basically, they tested Peet’s and Starbucks
and a bunch of other ones also came back low as well. So– hey, you know? It is what it is. Evan Brand: So basically, you don’t have
to pay 19 bucks a bag, or a pound if you don’t want to. Uh– we– we’ve talked with Dave, he’s
been on our podcast, and so, you know, I’ve got nothing against it but, if you can spend
12 bucks and still get uh– you know, if you’re like budgeting and– and you can
at least spend 12 bucks a bag versus 19 well then spend 12 if you know that it’s gonna
be clean and you’re not gonna get sick for it. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, there are other
brands that are great. I always recommend if you have a– have neg–
negative experience with coffee, come off of it, you know try adding Dave’s in, see
how you tolerate it, if you can tolerate another, good one, maybe Blue bottle or some of the
other good brands that are out there, the Mayan brands or whatever else. Even the whole foods Allegro brand, see if
you can tolerate, ’cause there are other good brands that are there too. Evan Brand: I just don’t do coffee. I’m fine without it– Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Evan Brand: –so for me, I’m– I’m– Dr. Justin Marchegiani: I love my coffee man! Even if I did Decaf, I don’t get a huge
energy kit but I do get this kind of warm blanket kind of sensation, thus feeling really
good. Evan Brand: And then my wife loves it. Yeah, that’s like her dream if I would just
drinking coffee with her. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Oh, it’s great. Na– my wife– Evan Brand: [Laughs] Dr. Justin Marchegiani: –and I sat around
the fireplace this morning sipping our little coffee. I do mine, uhm– you know coff– with uhm–
butter and MCT, and uh– 15, 18 grams of collagen. So, my coffee is more like a meal, but yeah,
totally. Evan Brand: Next time I come to your house,
I’ll let you make me a good coffee and I’ll– and I’ll try it, see if you can– Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Oh. Evan Brand: –convert me over. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Oh yeah man, I’ll–
I’ll make a good one for you don’t worry. Evan Brand: Alright. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: It’s good. Alright sounds good. Evan Brand: So, we– we talked about symptoms,
we talked about some of the sources in terms of the food. Uhm– maybe we should talk more about–
you know, treatment options. What do you do to try to support yourself
through this? Unless you had another direction, you wanted
to go. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Well first off is,
you know, Evan’s going to the ultimate extreme of moving, right? So, that may not be necessary for everyone. Some people may not be in that position to
move. So, make sure you do the right things to figure
out if it’s even your house. Right? Evan Brand: Yeah. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: It could be a food
thing, it could be other things uh– you know, get your house tested, number 1. Get out of your house for a week. Like Evan went to a hotel that was reasonable
and just work for the week, right? Some people are like, “Well I’m on a vacation
for a week and felt so much better”, it’s like, yeah, you were relaxing, you weren’t
doing your day in, day out stuff. So, get out of the house for weeks. See if you notice any improvements. Get your house tested with a good quality
lab. Get the house tested. Uhm– number 3– is we can work on remediate
it if there is an issue and you wanna stay, you can always do that. And just make sure you have before and after
testing that confirm. Make sure, you know, you have that conversation
with the remediator, “Hey here are the test that we’re doing”, make sure there are
an agreement and then make sure you got it before and after. And that, you know, they’re work is gonna
be indexed upon, you know, this coming back clean. Evan Brand: I guess the next step too would
be to make sure the root cause was addressed because the companies coming in and using
the enzyme solution to help clean and remediate our home, that did not fix the root cause. The root cause is the issue. There’s 2 issues. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yes. Evan Brand: O– one is there’s not enough
ventilation in the attic because a board was placed over some of these uh– Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Ventilations? Evan Brand: –some of these uh ventilation
vents. And then the other problem was in the crawl
space where the pipe had busted or leaked or something that was creating potholes. So, all that moisture was coming off your–
the sub floor– Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And leaky pipe. Evan Brand: Yeah, creating high humidity in
the home. And the humidity, being above 60%, is just
perfect for mold to grow. And so that over a period of time allowed,
you know, literally, my test results came back with so much candida in my living room. And the guy told me at the lab, he goes “Evan”,
he said, “This is why so many people, they treat they’re gut for candida, but then
they get reinfected, because they’re breathing it in in their home and it’s recolonizing
the gut. So, this is why your patient— Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Evan Brand: –may– may feel better on a
candida protocol, they get off the herbs and then they feel worse again, it’s– Dr. Justin Marchegiani: They get reinfected. Evan Brand: –that means they’re environment
is the problem”. And that just blew my mind, I’ll tell you. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Interesting. Yeah, totally make sense so– Yeah, you had
a busted pipe, which that was causing a lot of the water to permeate and just kind of
like pool behind your– kitchen cabinets. And then you also had an issue up in the basement
where a ventilation blocked up. So if we didn’t have those two things going
on, that mold issue may not have occurred. And again, the timing of you expanding your
family, and wanting to move, just kind of correlate it with this mold thing. So, it– Evan Brand: Yeah. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: –that mold’s kinda
like that– that pushed to make it happen. But normally, with those issues being addressed,
you should be able to–to get back into your home. Evan Brand: Well interestingly enough, I was
looking at the uh– the vents– Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Mm-hmm. Evan Brand: –on the blueprints– in the–
in the blueprint of our home, is not how it turned out. They didn’t actually put the vents that
I’m seeing in the blue print right up, they’re not actually physically on the home. So that was a mistake, and– so we are getting
that fixed, the roofers are gonna come and ventilate it properly so that the next person
who comes into this home, they will be fine and the issue will be fixed. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Oh, that’s good,
that’s good. And you’re getting it retested as well. Have the retest come in yet? Evan Brand: Oh, they’re doing that tomorrow. So, they’re coming in, and they’re gonna–
also they’re gonna bring a commercial grade dehumidifier which is gonna help us drop the
humidity level down majorly in the home and hopefully it won’t re-humidify because now
the water has been removed. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: That’s really good. Now let’s talk about some of the things
we can do to help with mold removal, so– in our bodies. So obviously we can clean out the diet like
we chatted about. There are various binders that we can use
that are very helpful. We can do binders like activated charcoal,
or bentonite clay which are absorbent binders that use an electrical charge to pull of this
compounds in that to bind it up and that kind of put a straight ___[20:04] on it which is
helpful. Uh– next thing is– here’s medication
ones called cholestyramine which is in– one of the early versions of the– cholesterol
lowered meds in the early 80’s. Very expensive though. That’s the only issue with it. And that binds up to a lot of the uhm– molds
that are in your gut, kind of like the other binders would and pulls it out in the stool. We can also do things like zeolite or citrus
pectins, ___[20:29], various fibroids that kind of act similarly and bind these things
up and allow you to excrete it, also diatomaceous earth which is really high, and silica, DE
for short, that’s very helpful as well at binding up and pulling out any of these uhm
molds too. Evan Brand: I’ve got some DE, maybe I should
try it. Uh– right now I’m just doing the charcoal. You think I should throw some DE in there? Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, I would throw
it, I do a table 202, twice a day, ___[20:54] you water. It’s also a dewormer as well. It’s also a ni– Evan Brand: Yeah. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: –nice natural uh-
natural insecticide you see in a– you know– let’s say an ant hill so to speak. In my backyard I had a big ant hill, ___[21:06]. Just dump a whole bunch of DE uh– kills
them all and then eventually dissolves. And it does it in a non-toxic way, dehydrates
the exoskeleton on the insect and they die. Evan Brand: It’s amazing. Yeah, that’s really downsized. It does dehydrate you. I remember we were giving it to my daughter– Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. Evan Brand: –’cause she had pinworms,
and she was so thirsty. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yes. Evan Brand: When she was on that DE. So we just did a short-term dose to kill the
pinworms. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, you can also
use it in your animals too. It’s very-very safe too just make sure [crosstalk] Evan Brand: Put it in the water or– Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Right in their food. You mix them right in their food. Yeah, just make sure it’s food grade DE
and you’ll be okay. Evan Brand: Nice. I may add some of that in. Uh– the other thing too, you mentioned the
zeolite. I do have the formula that I carry. I’ve got a bottle of it I’ve only tried
a couple drop so far, it’s called Vitality Detox Drops. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Evan Brand: And it’s just a zeolite solution,
you’re supposed to add it into your water. Uh– they– they’ve got some study showing
it binding to mold spores in the body. So, I probably need to throw a couple drops
of that in too. I’ve been doing some nitric oxide boosters
as well. Uh– mold is affecting nitric oxide production
in me ’cause my hands are just freezing cold like if you shook my hand right now,
you’d like, “Evan, dude, why is your hand so cold? And– Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Mm-hmm. Evan Brand: –it’s a nitric oxide production. So, I’ve been doing like some arginine and
citrulline and this whole nitric oxide boosting drink, and then I’ve been adding some peanut
butter. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: The mold’s affecting– Evan Brand: Yeah, I talked with the pharmacist
at the lab of ___[22:27] it’s got a name ___[22:28] he’s in his 70’s. You and I probably need to get him on the
podcast. He’s like a genius. Uh– he told me, you know, he said, “I
bet you have these symptoms: cold hands, cold feet, cold nose.” uh– you know, “you wake up tired…”,
and I was like, “Yup-yup-yup-yup-yup”, that’s me. And he– so what he did is he actually sent
me some nitric oxide test strips by a company called Berkeley I think was. And he put this on your tongue, and he goes
“Evan I bet you’re gonna fail that test”, he goes, “That test strip is gonna look
white”, which means like no which– no nitric oxide production then you got light
pink, medium pink, dark pink, dark pink and then really dark pink which is great. I failed that test so bad. I had basically no nitric oxide production
as registering on this test drop. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Interesting. Evan Brand: That’s the problem. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And nitric oxide is
just ___[23:13]. So you’re doing the arginine, the citrulline,
just a lot of the amino acids, right? What other amino acids are you taking to improve
___[23:20]. Evan Brand: Uh there’s a blend. Let me see if I can find it real quick that
I’m taking. So– let me see, it’s called like– uh–
crap it’s ___[23:30], makes it but I can’t remember– Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Oh-okay. I know what you’re talking about. I got that formula. Evan Brand: But he has like stevie in it,
it tastes good, and then I’m adding some extra beet powder, I’ve got beet powder
in there but I’m adding extra beet powder on top of it. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Oh, cool. Excellent. So, other ways we can help reduce and lower
the mold, what else can we do? So off the bat, I would say we can also do
sulfur-based amino acids whether it’s NAC, or– sulfur aminos. Uh– in my line we have one called detox
aminos that has like methionines, cysteine, taurine, glutamine, glycine, all the amino
acids to make glutathione. We can also do glutathione or liposomal glutathione,
and then we can also do things like uhm– talked about the zeolite, we talked about– Evan Brand: Me– methylations– uh– like
methylation supports too like the– I’m doing all the B’s like some mitochondrial
stuff too like– Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yes. So, phase one detoxification support, right? And then we have a lot of herbs that are helpful
for lymphatics. So, we can do red root, we can do ginger tea,
these are really helpful just to kind of keep the lymph system really moving as well. And then also sweating I think is really good
too. Using a really good far or near infrared sauna
to help kind of get that sweat, get that toxic sweat out of your body as well. Evan Brand: Yeah, I’ve got the sauna, I
just haven’t used it lately. Uhm– Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Mm-hmm. Evan Brand: It’s been too busy to get in
there but I need to get in there. And then also I am doing some chlorella, I’m
doing some of the ___[24:48] chlorella too– Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Oh. Evan Brand: –because I did speak with ___[24:50],
and uh– she’s a lady who heard her husband made it up and the micronization process of
the chlorella, it makes it so tiny compared to broken cell wall chlorella, it’s 50 times
smaller. So, she shown, you can bind to the mold with
that. And so I’m using that right now. And I’m just doing a small dose of it ’cause
if I go too high, my–my– might start get a racing heart. So, I’m just really going to– Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Is that the belly
balance with the probiotics in there? Evan Brand: Uh– uh– no this is the NDF+. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Oh, NDF+, got it. Evan Brand: Yeah, I’m just doing that. And that does have probiotics in it, I’m
just going really slow with it because I went too fast like, you know what it says– Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Mm-hmm. Evan Brand: If you’re sensitive, increase
by one drop every 3 days, and I was like, “Ugh! screw it.”, I’m gonna do 3 drops
extra and that was too much and my heart was raising so, uh– I got kind of a reaction
from it so I had to back down to the last tolerable dose and then I’m just gonna try
to go up slowly. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Makes a lot of sense. Now how about– Evan Brand: [Crosstalk] Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yup, go ahead. Evan Brand: I was just gonna say, “And I’m
hanging in there”, like, cognitively I’m fine. It was just this dizziness problem, it’s
my main issue, you know. Cognitively I’ve been able to work, I’ve
been able to get everything done. Uhm– you know, still doing podcast, my brain
is perfect. It’s just the visual field. So that’s– that’s kind of– but it
may manifest in different people, right? Like if you’ve got sick with mold you may
have totally different symptoms than me. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: That’s the thing. You may have chronic fatigue or joint pain,
right? Also, you’re also in an office where your
office is the only area of your house that tested clean, right? Evan Brand: Yup, exactly. So that’s kind of my– my escape. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: If you are podcasting
from the area of the house that it was high, maybe the kitchen, that may be a problem. Evan Brand: Yup. Exactly. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: And let’s talk about
air filtration. Air filtration’s really helpful too. Again, you have to get to the root cause. So, you can do an air filter. I have the uhn– Air Doctor, and I also have
the uh– what’s the other guy there? Evan Brand: You got the Molekule, don’t
you? Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Molekule, yeah. I have the Molekule, I g– I have that in
my uh– family room now. I rotated to my bedroom and my family room,
and then the next thing I have is the uhm– the Air Doctor. That’s the other thing we have next. Those are the big 2. And then Advanced Air is also another good
one, so, having some good air filtrations, you have to make sure you’re getting to
the root underlying issue. Evan Brand: My wife’s talking to me. She said the lady’s here. Uhm we’ve got a lady here that’s kind
of come look at my trees and see if we can move any of them to the new house so I guess
I have to wrap this thing up. But that was the last thing I was gonna say
anyway. Just get an air filter. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Oh yeah. That’s the last major thing. Evan Brand: And I have it– and I– and
I have the Air Doctor, I have it running 24/7 up here, so maybe that was like an insurance
policy that helped me. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah. And what do you think about a dehumidifier
at all? To help lower the humidity levels? Evan Brand: Yeah, we’re probably need to
get one, but hopefully in the new house the humidity is regulating on its own and then
we don’t have to get one. But I– I have it on my Wishlist, I found
a good one, I just don’t know if I need it yet. I’m just gonna take the measurements of
the new house first and see before I go and spend 300 bucks. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah you’re getting
to the root cause which is key– which is that pipe leak and then the poor ventilation. So that should be the key thing to kind of
help regulate it. That’s good. Evan Brand: Yup, yup. So if I’m like, you know, 40% humidity at
the new place I’m just not gonna worry. But if I see uhm– 50, 60, you know, then–
then I’m gonna have to probably buy one. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Well, very good man,
I think we’re on the right track. Anything else you wanted to answer regarding
any of the question? I think we did a good job hitting all the
major points here today. Evan Brand: I would just tell people. Look, if you’ve been working with a practitioner,
whether it’s functional medicine or other field of medicine and you’re not feeling
getting better, you know, consider and getting your te– your– your test kits for your
home. Lookup immunolytics lab and uh– ___[28:09]
and they can help you because, you know for me, I’d work on everything. Justin and I, really, “Hey Evan, it’s
your adrenal”, so we did adrenal support. No change. Blood sugar support, no change. You know, heavy metal support, no change. Uh sleep herbs, no change, so– we– we
kind of went down all these other rabbit holes and it turned out to be mold. So, I would just say if you– if you’ve
got limited success or some success but you’re not fully out of the wood yet, you know, consider
this as an option. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah, especially with
the timing. Like you were doing really good help lines,
then you kinda move, your environment shifted and then these things popped up. So, you were able to do a reall– Evan Brand: [Crosstalk] Dr. Justin Marchegiani: You were able to do
a really good timeline history, kind of correlating a lot of these things. Evan Brand: The timeline was– was key. I mean that’s– that’s the whole reason
why we do what we do, ’cause you gotta figure out when did things go wrong and that’s
exactly when, when I got in this thing dang house. So– Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Excellent. Anything– Evan Brand: –but I’ll be okay, it’s
a good lesson. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: — else you wanna
add? Evan Brand: It’s a good lesson for us, you
know? Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Totally. Let me just brought out a couple question,
I know you gotta roll. And we’ll– we’ll hit it. So real quick, does the GI map show mold,
uh– and they’re show a lot of uh– fungal issues and fu– fungal overgrowth issue so
potentially that could be– you could be inhaling that, that could be causing it to
grow in the gut, right? Evan Brand: Yeah but not the environmental
mold in your house, separate test. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: But you could see
though the environmental mold could affect the microbiome mold and fungus, right? Evan Brand: You could, but mine just showed
a little bit of candida but it didn’t show– Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Right. Evan Brand: — the other stuff. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Right, exactly. Didn’t show the Aspergillus the, Trichothecenes,
right? Evan Brand: Yeah. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: All those other ones
there. Yeah, the Ochratoxin, that make sense. And then regarding uh– Sam saying, yeah,
he felt much better, less stuffy in the morning, wakin’ up with the air filter, that’s
good, yeah. I mean, there’s some– a lot of the good
air filters are gonna cut out some of the mold and mycotoxins, that makes a lot of sense,
and– that’s what we do, we have good air filters that cut those out too. Evan Brand: Yeah, it’s a– it’s a good–
it’s good ___[29:56] but you still gotta fix the root cause and air filters– Dr. Justin Marchegiani: [Crosstalk] Evan Brand: Yeah, air filters’ good though. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah and ___[30:01]
writes in, uhm– “What if you live in an apartment and you can’t move?”. Well that’s a tough situation so, I would
just do your best to see if you can get some data to show there’s mold in there, see
if you can find any– any leaky water, any poor ventilation, anything that can show there’s
mold and hopefully you can try to get some remediation done by landlord, or uhm– you
know, if it’s objective, you can see it and test it. If not just do your best to have good binding
support in the background, and a good air filter, at least where you’re sleeping most
of the time. Uh– so you can get that filtered out where
you’re sleeping. Evan Brand: Yeah and you could probably do
it on your own too. Lookup and– that’s where
you can get the enzyme solution if you needed to self-treat. Like– it’s better to– to hire somebody,
but if that– that is the company where the enzyme is made. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Yeah just get to the
root cause, or there’s a leaky pipe or something going on with ventilation, get that fixed. Get the root issue fixed. Evan Brand: Yup. Absolutely. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Alright, excellent. Well today was a great podcast, lots of great
questions coming in here, we’ll be back again next week. I’ll be back uh– this Friday for more
Q&A’s, maybe they’re in the week, who knows, and, give us the thumbs up, give us
the share, we appreciate it ya’ll, feel free and uhm– go to or and feel free and schedule a consult with us if you wanna dig deeper. If you feel like you have any mold or any
other fatigue or any other health issues that aren’t being addressed, we’re here for
ya. Evan Brand: Take care. Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Evan take care, bye. Evan Brand: Bye.


  • Reply John Boston January 8, 2019 at 11:14 am

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  • Reply Julie Gaudet January 12, 2019 at 5:53 am

    I have most of those from a head and neck injury. Some are Autonomic nervous system symptoms. Make sure your C1 is not out of alignment.

    Sounds like it is in your A.C. vents.

    Corn is the worst.

  • Reply Elaine C March 19, 2019 at 12:10 am

    There are over 300 different mycotoxins and we know at least 30 of them are toxic to humans. There is no test that includes all of the 30 mycotoxins that we know cause harm. Can’t test for something we don’t have a test for. Basically when using the current testing methods a positive is positive but a negative doesn’t mean you’re safe. And I don’t even have the time to get into the inherent flaws behind some of the testing methods out there. A lot more needs to be invested into this area of diagnosis and treatment. But this whole issue requires so much more consideration in other areas, we need to live differently, we need to build structures differently, we need to grow food differently.

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